I try not much anymore, but back in the day when I gambled, I found the black/red sequences interesting (on roulette). Assuming that the wheel is not fixed, I did find surprising results. Aside from the 0 and 00 numbers, let's just assume that there is a 1:2 chance of it landing on black with every roll. So there is 1:512 chance that it will come up black 9 times in a row. I've seen it happen several times though. In fact, I'd think that the distribution would always be more like:
B R R B B R B B R R B R B R i.e. one, two or maybe three of one color in a sequence - a 1:8 or 1:16 chance - no big deal.
But often I'd see grouping of 4 and 5 consistantly:
B B B B R R R R R B B B B B R R R R B B B B
How could we calculate the likelyhood of four groups of 4 in a row? I would think it would be in 1:10,000 range - to clarify my question: What would the statistical likelyhood be of getting at least 4 blacks in a row followed immediately by at least 4 reds in a row - repeated 4 times. "I would think" that it would happen very rarely...but I've seen it several times - and I've only gambled roulette maybe...20 days in my life.
Yes.. it is quite unlikely, indeed, but in no way impossible, as you have seen. As far as I know professional roulette wheels are not "fixed", however the (dealers? what do you call those people?) - anyway, they are quite well trained and learn over time to control the results of the wheel to a degree. Some I hear are even able to land the ball in exactly the cell that they want - they regularly control the results to produce patterns like what you see and then when people start winning and getting cocky because they think they've got the dealer figured out, the dealer will imperceptibly begin varying velocity of the wheel spin and take back all their money - the house ALWAYS wins.
However unlikely, randomness describes as we've mutually mentioned, the absolutely unpredictability of subsequent results and illustrates that any given result is equally as likely to occur as any other given result. So though probabilities are against it, it is possible to land 20 reds in a row on roulette, even without trickery from the dealer.
I can also demonstrate practical application of random numbers working harmoniously with "chance" & probability. One of my other websites has two main advertisers who pay different rates. Based on the amount they pay, I want one advertiser to receive ad impressions on only 1 in 4 pages displayed on the site where the other advertiser gets the remaining 3. What I do to accomplish this is for each pageview, using a "pseudo-random" number generator (as all random number generators for computers are) I select a random number between 1 and 4. If the number is 1, then the first advertiser gets the impression, but if the result is 2 to 4, the second advertiser gets the impression. It seems like by selecting random numbers there would be no way to guarantee any amount of impressions to either advertiser, yet month after month, every time without fail, as I process the weblogs I see that indeed the first advertiser has received exactly 25% of the page impressions that month and the second advertiser the remaining 75% - probabilities win again, order from chaos!
Before we venture too far from the original challenge, I just want to re-assert that if it is indeed true that randomness exists in the Universe, then it negates the possibility that all things are pefectly tied together in harmony and that the final outcome of the Universe is pre-ordained. This would, of course make it impossible to accurately prophesize with any degree of certainty the outcome of future events beyond what general pattern recognition and probabilities may reveal to the prophesizer. I do agree that pattern recognition and probability are strong tools for a prophesizer to utilize and may add weight to the likes of Nostradamus who may have been able to foresee the progression of certain tendencies, though they would never have been directed at any particular event on a specific date, time, location, etc - such accuracy is not possible, hence the general vagueness of the prophecies themselves.
As for the prophecies which lie within the Holy Bible, who is to say which exact dates, times and locations they refer to either? It has been demonstrated time and again that humans regularly misinterpret not only the underlying meaning of the Bible, but also the prophecies. How many times have people turned into lunatics predicting that the world was going to end and/or that Jesus would return on New Year's Eve. Remember Jesus returning in 2000? And then again in 2001 when they realized that 2000 was actually only 1,999 years from 0 and that 2001 would be an actual 2,000 years? I'm sorry, but where in the Bible did it mention the first thing about Jesus returning on some imaginary date boundary evenly divisible by 2, 10, 100 or 1,000? Guess that didn't quite work out as people had hoped for.
People are so desperate for the world to end and for Jesus to return and let there be an ever-lasting, heavenly peace that they have continued now for hundreds, thousands of years making the same interpretations of age-old prophecies inaccurately time and again. When I hear yet another goober making predicitons about the end of time and associating current events with prophecies in the bible, I can't help but think they're a desperate lunatic. Either that or they want attention. heh
Many of the prophesises in the bible also relate to harmonic connections, the most well know example being the 144, 000. This number is repeated in many religions and is derived from the procession of the equinoxes. Also based around the procession is our 'old' way of tuning instruments. Up until 150 (ish) years ago, concert pitch (A) was tuned to 432 hz, a harmonic division of the 25920 years of the procession. (concert pitch has now been changed to 440 hz)
Many of the numbers relating to prophecy, religious events and even imperial measurements can be seen to be directly related (in harmony) with the procession of the equinoxes.
So......there are frequenies that we all experience, sounds, colours and time and 'coincidently' many of them relate directly to the same number, 25920. Maybe the ancient hebrew language, being based on math, contains more information as to the sensory universe and if used in the correct way will describe harmonic occurances throughout time, it may not be accurate in the social outcome of an event, but it may be able to mark the correct time.
Incidently, if you measure the internal and external angles of a pentagon (72 and 54 degrees these numbers also occur very frequently throught religion and the occult), and again are related to the 25920 years. So maybe there is more to occult knowledge then meets the eye as well.
If anyone is interested in juggeling a few figures around, try using 25920, 360, 72, 54 and see what you come up with! The links and connections are almost endless, the results springing up in religions and science on a very coincidental regularity.
It might not be clairvoyant quality prophecy, but the connections can appear to be very obvious!
There are many Christians who wish that Jesus physically return because they fail to notice the Holy Spirits in them. The return of Christ is an expression of mankind’s return to God as rightful Son. It is the completion of Christ’s body on Earth. The first time Jesus was not recognized and was rejected by chief priests and elders. But when he comes again (thru the faithful), he shall be accepted, glorified and crowned as Savior and King. Note that salvation is really for everyone, not just any Christian sect or cult.
The coming of God’s Kingdom is not to be seen because it has a spiritual nature and will come in one’s hearts. Catholics believe that Jesus is King and his mother, Mary is Queen of this spiritual kingdom. Come to think of it, the greatest serves the rest in this spiritual kingdom- men pray to the powers in heaven to pray to God for their needs.
The spiritual nature of this Kingdom allows men to imitate the life of Christ by good works and piety (prayer). “It is only a matter of praying to them who have merited eternity and are now in possession of the heavenly power of God. They have all been tested and have suffered (Heb 2:18). Now, enriched with heavenly treasures, they can help us out of life’s struggles and difficulties.”
The spiritual kingdom has taken a new format with Jesus' coming and is populated by spiritual authorities who once were ordinary humans tempted and tested like us, but were able to overcome these to merit heaven.
Men who mislead their fellowmen from the truth are obviously not faithful followers of Christ. They play the enemy’s role. Making people lose trust by fighting one another and fragmenting his body on Earth are works of the adversary, rather than Christ.
just like a tadpol that turns into a frog "it is still a frog 99%
but that 1% dictates the spots on its back to be different to the next tadpol.
the same can be put to the universe.
God has desighned to universe to function acording to hi devine
blueprint, however it is alowed by random EVOLUTION or choice as in our case an ellement of self exprestion thus making all things independant and unique to the next ETC.ETC.
Maybe you are a nonbeliever in God ,
And canot except the posibility that you are special in GOD's eye's and deserve to cellebrate that fact. it is not all about the substance of the phisical realm, without the spirit life does not exist.
Regardless wether it can be messured by science or plossible explanations...
However your delight full insight to the fact that life is more than anyone can explian is with much marret etc.etc...
Sorry, but I really can't follow must of what you're saying. Nor, can I figure how you are responding to something I've said. Please clarify on which of my comments you're responding to...I wrote them sometime back.
I can say that you have a conflict in terms. You say, "random evolution". No such thing, my friend. Evolution's definition has nothing to do with random. Evolution is a species furthered survival based on mutations within the species that happen to benefit it's survival. As an example, the wooly mammoth came to survive, because those within the species who had the genetic characteristic of thicker fur survived. So those that survived that had the thicker fur characteristic bred and produced more with thicker fur, furthering the species' existence. Thus we have "survival of the fittest", or in my example survival of the furriest. Regardless of any cheap pun, there is nothing related to randomness.
It sounds like you're saying that evolution selects members of the species randomly to survive. Fortunately, there is no such theory as "survival of the randomly selected". We'd all be extinct. There would be no "mechanism of action" to further the survival of the species based on the changing conditions of this world. Adaptability is key to a species survival, and this is obtained by those who survive life threatening conditions.
And yes, I believe in God. But I suspect my concept of God varies greatly from yours. I am not a Christian, nor a Jew, nor...whatever, and do not base (not nearly like I used to anyway) my concept God on the beliefs, interpretations, experience, opinions, and concepts of other men's god. One definition of religion vs. spirituality is that religion is having someone else tell you what God is. Spirituality is finding out for yourself. I now try to base my concept and understanding of God solely on my personal experience of God.
One of the critical differences in my understanding (based on my experience) of God vs. the Christian concept is that God is judgemental. I have a lifetime of personal experience revealing that God is EVERYTHING BUT judgemental. It's so ironic, because I've learned that judgementalness is a product of the ego, always based on fear and lack of information. Whenever we judge someone (look down upon them), we are using ourselves as the reference. We will always say something like "I don't do that". Our motivation is to try to convince ourselves that we are better than whomever. But whenever we try to have compassion, empathy, understanding, etc., of the other person's behavior, we will be consciously making the attempt to put ourselves in their shoes. Then we understand why they did what they did. It's not about right or wrong, it's about understanding, and healing. Making the person feel better with love. It's definately not about punishing, retaliating, condemning, or provoking "God's wrath", so many times stated in the bible.
How many times have we judged a person, that is, been angry, disappointed, disgusted, etc. because of their actions, then later come to learn something new about the situation that helped us to understand their behavior? I have many. The great hint here is that deductive reasoning tells us that when we are judging someone, we are missing information! That, and if their "suboptimal" behavior offends us directly, our own insecurity (fear) is the great motivator for the ego's ability to judge our fellow man.
Jesus said, "He who has never sinned may cast the first stone". Man, I wish more people would pay more attention to that critically important statement. If you notice, Jesus didn't say "He who has never been a prostitute may cast the first stone". In effect he says, "He who has never done anything self-centered, that has caused any form of harm to another person is fit punish a person for doing something self-centered."
The big lesson in Jesus' statement is that we are all self-centered, and are not fit to judge others and punish them. In effect, we are punishing them for being human. And when we punish, complain, put down, or disapprove of another person behavior, we are really doing all that to God. God is responsible for putting this whole thing together. Don't blame humans, blame God. That is if you want to blame. Stop judging (fearing), and all that is left is love. Selfless love.
And that's the big contradiction of the bible. Jesus looked like he was loaded with, and expressed great spiritual truths, being or not being "THE son of God". And he made many statements like the one I quoted above, telling us clearly to never judge. And then elsewhere in the bible it goes on and on about fearing God's judgement, the wrath, and all that crap. If there's one thing about my experience of life that I've learned about human behavior, it's my realization that the human ego, that thing that produces our "judger", is all based on fear and misinformation, and lack of facts. So it is therefore impossible that God could ever judge anything we do...He is selfless (void of fear), and sees all the facts. His understanding of our motivations makes it impossible for Him to ever be able to judge us. "Forgive them, fore they know not what they do."
And the other prime critical disfunction of the bible is that God is some things, and not others. Either God is everything, or He is nothing. If God made us, then He is us. If I make something that is directly made of me, without any external material, then it is me. For Him to judge us is for Him to judge Himself. God is everything that is real and actually does exist. The only thing that doesn't exist is fear*. Fear is that concept that...something bad will happen, that it won't work out, that if we don't get something, we won't be happy, if something happens, that the results damage our lives, that we may die, etc. But when we realize that whatever happens in our lives is fine, that nothing that happens in our lives can truly have the power to alter our inner peace, then there is never anything to fear.
*Fear is the shadow. We've given a name for something that doesn't exist. We call the shadow a "thing", when really it is the absence of a thing (light, obviously). We've all heard the statement, "There's no room for fear and faith in same mind". Well, maybe most of us anyway. But really, the amount of fear we have in us is a perfect negative reflection of how much true faith we have. Anytime we fear anything, we are doubting God. Including the fear of death. Some people will say that some fear is healthy. I'm with Roosevelt on this one (fear itself being the only thing to fear). I'd like to think I stay alive not because I fear death, but because I love living so much.
Fear is the shadow. Shine a light on a shadow and look what happens. It disappears. Shine faith on fear and see what happens.
I don't mean to slam Christianity too hard here. And I'm sure I'll get some heated retorts from Christians. It is just very obvious that the bible tells much more about men's conception of God than it does of God. Jesus looks like he was a highly enlightened person. The people of the day were absolutely desparate for a savior. When he came around, and the people asked him, "Are you the savior?", he would say, "You have said it is so". It's like he was saying, "I am whoever you want me to be". But after so long, with people eventually continually telling him that he is the messiah, he started to believe it. Perfectly understandable. Regardless of what it is, we are all greatly prone to injesting the influence of others. Tell a small boy as he grows up over and over for years that he will never amount to anything, that he's a loser, etc, and guess what, chances are excellent that his self-esteem will be horribly damaged and it will be true. Hey listen, if a person comes up to any of us and says, "Hey, you're special". I bet your first inner thought will be, "yes, I know". I don't think you're going to argue with them. You might even say, "You have said it is so".
I'm going to bed, and try to relieve some of this fear.
We are fearful creatures. To be wise is to be serene and rational. But life moves us by emotion. It is a biological motivation to almost everything we do. Jesus had the wisdom to try and get us to disengage with our animal instincts and live in the instinct we call soul. When we lay ideas over his life then Jesus is a thousand men. One for every shift in our historical perspectives. We cannot know, while alive, the value of religion. It is unknowable. So in the face of ignorance we seek the best certainty we know of, a mystical savior. When a gap appears in our needs it will soon be filled by a species of salvation that perfectly matches the zeitgeist. Celebrity is our modern salvation. Wisdom rarely figures as an attribute of our salvation. Jesus was an exception. But what kind of exception remains to be answered!
04-18-2003 05:04 PM
- they regularly control the results to produce patterns like what you see and then when people start winning and getting cocky because they think they've got the dealer figured out, the dealer will imperceptibly begin varying velocity of the wheel spin and take back all their money - the house ALWAYS wins. 
We are fearful creatures. To be wise is to be serene and rational. But life moves us by emotion. It is a biological motivation to almost everything we do. Jesus had the wisdom to try and get us to disengage with our animal instincts and live in the instinct we call soul. When we lay ideas over his life then Jesus is a thousand men. One for every shift in our historical perspectives. We cannot know, while alive, the value of religion. It is unknowable. So in the face of ignorance we seek the best certainty we know of, a mystical savior. When a gap appears in our needs it will soon be filled by a species of salvation that perfectly matches the zeitgeist. Celebrity is our modern salvation. Wisdom rarely figures as an attribute of our salvation. Jesus was an exception. But what kind of exception remains to be answered!
