Now, im tired of arguing with (one word) Highschool Kids, who are bitter, Lets have an honest discussion on the movie....the fight in general. I've got it already downloaded i've watched it (the fight) 10 times since i've dl it.....Lets Talk Fight, and gore and beats and bangs, no Hypithetical situations, no what if sh*t LETS HEAR THE GOODS, Who and WHY do you think wins!!!!!! I've Been replyig in the "Spoilers who won (or something)" thread, i've left it now because nobody will ever post anything but I hate freddy so jason won....etc.... Okay in short, The scene at the dock when jason is Waxing Freddy with his machete, he only hits freddy 4 times, thats it 4 times. When freddy cuts jasons fingers off...Freddy hits him 11 times with the machete and twice with the claws, and Jams his claws thorugh jasons face mask.. and at that moment the Kids interfere and jason Rams his arm into Freddy's stomach and rips his arm off. Then Freddy Inserts (not rams) (not Sticks) Jasons Machete Into his chest. after they get back on the dock Jason Rams Freddy's Arm (claw) through Freddy's Chest, jason falls into the water, and freddy drops to his knees...Lori Picks up the machete Freddy dropped and we know the rest...for me HERE the fight is OVER. If someone was to take the final scene into consideration find a thread that deals with just the last scene(which needs a whole thread to itself) ....because I think that last scene is more in favor for freddy than jason, Simply because Freddy Winks....Making me feel this is a dream, Just like in the begenning when jason was dreaming of killing the skinny dipper....he dreams when he is dead, when freddy dies in the real world he goes back into the dream world...SO Freddy winking (Cut off heads don't wink very often) Makes me think freddy has his powers back thus this is in the dream realm........so leaving the last scene out (because this can go to china in an argument....) Who and Why? (If you have read my Drawn out explinations in the other thread...you know this is just a synopsys of my whole reason, but Freddy Out fighting jason is a big factor too, Freddy always has to fight people in his movies, Jason don't, and When he does (jasons X, & Freddy vs Jason He has got his ass kicked.....) Freddy has got his share of whoppins in the past too..but obviously Freddy is more experienced thats why jason was unable to actually hit him...anyway Just watch the fight, Freddy Is 2fast and 2furious....(I know thats corny but thats the way I seen it? What about you?
Last edited by Mr.Blonde on 08-19-2003 at 07:52 AM |
I feel that the fight ended in a stalemate. Freddy and Jason were both alive at the end of the movie. If it wasn't for Lori, then Freddy would have finished Jason off at the end. But, you bring up a good point. Maybe it was still in the dream realm all along?? Freddy had some hardcore powers and I don't remember him ever having those in the real world. It is an interesting question.
Anyways, I must also add that the amount of blood that they used for the final fight was just beautiful. To see blood squirt all over the place, and to see Freddy just having blood pour out of his body from all the wounds........it was just great. This was a pure slasher flick. Not horror, but slasher. Friday the 13th Part 1 and Nightmare on Elm Street Part 1 were horror, this is slasher.
I loved the movie and am going to see it again on friday.
Agreed! Giving that they are both infact "Rocking and Rolling" in the end its definately not a ha ha I killed freddy/jason forever...but...I have watched the fight more times than I can count now...i've dl it...and My opinon still has not changed i've been very open minded...and jason (even though does do some good damage at the VERY end) its nothing compared to what freddy was doing, and both times i went to the movies I didn't think freddy was hurting jason much, but since dl it you see jason bending down because getting sliced and diced by freddy is hurting him....he just ain't used to fighting and freddy is...jason is used to just hacken em up when they are running, or whatever, only person i remember him fighting (other than the robot chick From JX) which ain't really happened yet...is the Black Boxer guy from Jason takes manhattan....over all this is an a+ of a horror movie, (I rate scary/horror movies different) because they are...and the blood was wonderful in the final few moments!!!
As much as I hate to admit it (being a Jason fan), Freddy owned the fight.
He took round one in the dream world, as expected.
But then he took round two in the real world also, which really surprised me.
In the real world, Jason started out strong, but Freddy quickly came back.
Impaling Jason with the poles, hacking him with the machete (while Jason crawled on the ground), and ramming the claws through Jason's eyes were three major points that made me give the fight to Freddy.
Jason had some good blows of his own, don't get me wrong. He put up a good fight, but Freddy was just too much. Even in the real world where his powers are limited, the clawed one controlled the fight.
However, that is not enough for me to give Freddy the victory.
Because, although he was ahead on points, I believe that it ended in a double-knockout, which means a draw.
Freddy would have died from the claw through the chest -- and did die from the decapitation.
Jason was mortally wounded, but rose up to deliver one final blow before sinking back into the lake. The part where he is floating on top of the surface and then sinks down to the bottom of the lake (right after the decapitation of Freddy) proves to me that Jason drowned -- either from injuries sustained in the fight, or by drowning (again?!).
I won't really get into the last scene, because that is really very open to interpretation.
The only thing that I'll say about that is that, because both are dead, Freddy goes back into the dream world and Jason goes back into his coma-like sleep.
I think that this last scene is kind of a joint-dream, a dream or vision or wish shared by the both of them. Jason is dreaming that he is carrying his victim out of the lake to store in his closet (like we see earlier in the film), and Freddy is envisioning a way to get back at Jason.
So to me, it's a draw. They both lose, because they both die in the fight. But because death means something different to them, they are both waiting for a time when they can come back to finish the fight.
I see it as a draw, which hopefully means a rematch.
I think that it was pretty obvious which of the two has been New Line's baby: Freddy, Jason having been aquired just recently played the role of the red headed step child.
There were a lot of times where Freddy is in close range to Jason, Jason just stands there to get hit, like when Freddy is doing his elbow drop. Why didn't Jason just grab ahold of him and bend him in half? Or when Freddy was in the cabin, and Jason takes him for a ride through the wall, then would have been the opportune time to proceed to dismember him rather easily. I think they gave Freddy too much credit in the real world... I mean since when can he teleport? (he goes from firing the tanks at Jason, to the top of that ledge awfully quick) And you're right, Freddy has fought in the real World more than Jason, but he usually gets his ass kicked by some teenager. Freddy's experience at real world fighting seems to be a bit exaggerated.
But hey, I'm nit picking, they had to make it a fight, so there would be a movie, and in the movie Freddy beat up Jason pretty good. Had the girl not interfered, Freddy would have died at Jason's hand... but woulda coulda shoulda...
I agree this is definately a Draw over all, due to the fact neither can die forever. and Crystal Lake Cr, I 100%, screw that 10000000000000000000000% agree with you thats the vibe i got too....And I hope if he was in his coma-dead sleep, there is not a rematch, because over all freddy got what he wanted, People are still afraid of him again, and he does not need jason. But the fight definately does go to ferddy in my opinion he was too quick for jason, and jason is just not used to going toe to toe freddy is....and if people call the Fight between them a draw, they should look at what a draw in the real world would mean for freddy...he is out of the dream world (where he usually gets owned) but this means freddy has evolved, if he gets dragged out he is still a force to be reconed with... because he knows he has to fight for his life, and thats why jason was hit by suprise most peoples reaction when their life is on the line is to run from him, Which is probably the worst thing to do from jason! yea that last scene was pure genius, simply because who knows what they were wanting you to believe, maybe nothing ...but maybe everything.... GREAT MOVIE, and GREAT FIGHT, its like Rocky vs Ivan Drago in Rocky IV ...but not quite so clear an winner winner in the end (mostly because those kids) as for who was won the fight, and since freddy and jason can't die thats what I look at i wasn't expecting Neither to die forever.....but before Lori and Will saved jasons a$$.....Freddy was killing him he was ramming his claw into jason....... think about it Freddy's arm didn't get ripped off and jason didn't punch though him before that happened...but no what if's right! Jason did his thing in the movie Kill the most people. Freddy just gets the ones hes after...besides that chick in the cornfield jason got first (AWESOME SCENE).....but I think freddy took that kill out on jason in the end.
Last edited by Mr.Blonde on 08-20-2003 at 12:50 AM |
i have to say that i wished that the fight was at least 15 minutes longer because it was good and lori was the reason of that bi still think that both should have killed each other because that would have been great seeing freddy and jasons guts every where
All I know is thie Movie Better Get fight of the year...Matrix even the new one can't have **** on this!!! this is A long awaited brawl, and they did it Right....GIVE IT TO THEM
I don't really think any one won. Freddy did get in more hits and Jason did take a beating, but then again he got in a few good hits himself. How many hits they got in really doesn't matter though. Just as an example, you can beat somebody all day and then them get ahold of something and knock your head off. It doen't matter that they only got in one hit, your dead. The movie doesn't really make it clear who wins. I guess that will make it easier to make movies in the future. Freddy winks at the end of the movie and I do think that is a dream sequence. But, I think Jason was still alive at the end after Lori chops Freddys head off. If you look you can see when she goes to the edge of the dock Jasons there looking at her right below the water and then sinks down. Seems to me like he let her win. I actually felt sort of sorry for Jason.
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OK, Freddy kicked Jason for a while, but did he really kick Jason’s ass?
I’d say no, cause what real damage did Freddy do to Jason? He sliced off 4 fingers, stabbed his eyes and brain. That little backscraching he did wasn’t worth counting if you ask me. Did you see how deep the cuts where compared to Jason’s size? It probably healed before Freddy slashed again, if you look at the rate Jason’s eyes grew back. And come on, how could Freddy be able kill someone who survived tons of steal falling on him in that dream (knowing that Freddy’s victims experience what they dream).
Jason caused some real damage. He ripped Freddy’s arm off and rammed it through him as if it was a pair of scissors and a piece of paper, not to mention the strength he must still have had do so(you probably need a canon to do something like that).
For those meddling kids, if it weren’t for the black girl making Freddy down, what was awesome by the way (I was waiting for someone standing up and yelling at him since I saw my first nightmare on Elm Street), Freddy would have got right at Jason and the fight might have never happened over the water or even at the lake, so please stop saying if it weren’t…
For the last scene, they might as well have climbed out of the Styx.
That would be a nice idea. It would mean that Jason is bringing Freddy back to hell. It’s probably not that way, but I like it.
O.k. well it looks like I've found this thread about 3 years too late, but as for the fight scene I'm going to have to give it to Jason after you remove the technicalities. His wounds were minute when considering the damage hes taken in previous movies. Freddy got his arm torn off, several machete slashes, impaled, and set on fire. So did Jason, but also take into account that Jason got out of the WATER from which he cannot swim, and finished Freddy off. Even without the decapitation I think the arm through the chest thing would have been enough for him to be done with.
08-19-2003 07:43 AM
Jason did his thing in the movie Kill the most people. Freddy just gets the ones hes after...besides that chick in the cornfield jason got first (AWESOME SCENE).....but I think freddy took that kill out on jason in the end.
