It's like that here too Heck. I see it as racism. I know there are posters that don't experience stuff like that, but I do too. There was a NY police applicant that scored 100% on his test, and the other applicants were less. When he asked why he wasn't hired, he was told because he's white. The police department told him when he can change the color of his skin, he can come back.
When I tried to get a job with the government, I was told the same thing.
I'm fed up.
And to answer your question oldbutafan, no, women are not considered minorities. Only Black women owned businesses are. I think the government application reads:
African-American, Asian, Indian, and Hispanic
If you are a woman owned buisness, you are out of luck. The preference for government contracting is 8(a) first, which is miniority owned, and then Hubzone, and then small business if needed, but small business does not have any set-aside preferences with the Air Force. In fact, I was told they didn't care about small businesses. No joke!
Kookaburra said this in post #16 : When he asked why he wasn't hired, he was told because he's white. The police department told him when he can change the color of his skin, he can come back.
Just out of curiousity, was that in writing? Or was that the word of the "white" officer?
Of course thats just my opinion....I could be wrong. (Dennis Miller)
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Kookaburra said this in post #16 : It's like that here too Heck. I see it as racism. I know there are posters that don't experience stuff like that, but I do too. There was a NY police applicant that scored 100% on his test, and the other applicants were less. When he asked why he wasn't hired, he was told because he's white. The police department told him when he can change the color of his skin, he can come back.
I think minority applicants ( law enforcement ) do get some curve/considerations on their test scores especially when it's for promotion. There are always complaints and protests and then there are "investigations" and re-evaluations but the protesters always lose.
As for the stated reason for no-hire, you said the police "department " told the guy that. Mystic asked, and boy it would be great if they did put it in writing. Now that would cause a shake-up !
But it has a familiar sound and I wouldn't be surprised if they are the words of a bitter police officer(s) who maybe unjustly got passed over for a promotion in favor of a lesser-qualified minority.
When I tried to get a job with the government, I was told the same thing.
I'm fed up.
I don't blame you.
And to answer your question oldbutafan, no, women are not considered minorities. Only Black women owned businesses are. I think the government application reads:
African-American, Asian, Indian, and Hispanic
If you are a woman owned buisness, you are out of luck. The preference for government contracting is 8(a) first, which is miniority owned, and then Hubzone, and then small business if needed, but small business does not have any set-aside preferences with the Air Force. In fact, I was told they didn't care about small businesses. No joke!
Kooka I am surprised and sorry that women owned businesses are not protected. Too bad HUBZone doesn't mean Historically Underappreciated ... as in the capabilities and talents of women.
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HECK said this in post #17 : That sucks. But, I guess minorities got the shaft for a long time so Big Brother is making it up.
-HECK!
It sure does stink.
The saddest part is that so many people like Kooka who weren't the shafters, are now the shaftees.
I still say it isn't exactly racism, but definitely some sort of legally sactioned discrimination.
This is just the kind of thing that plants seeds, and if we are not careful, will have that pendulum swinging back and there will be signs on the doors that say "[Insert Race Here] Need not Apply."
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly,what is essential is invisible to the eye."
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
You know....I hate to be the one to disagree (again ), but there are PLENTY of grants out there for women to open up businesses...all you have to do is look for them....they arent hard to find.
They dont state that it is only for blacks, hispanics, etc.
I happen to know that because a friend of mine was granted money to open a business, and lo and behold....she's white.
Of course thats just my opinion....I could be wrong. (Dennis Miller)
"You might be the toughest little whacker. . .but in my world, you're about as worrisome as a cloudy day." (Dutch Dooley)
mystic said this in post #20 : ..there are PLENTY of grants out there for women to open up businesses..
Landing a grant is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to racism/sexism in the business/professional world. Your one friend's minor victory (in the grand scheme of things) speaks little to me about the general state of affairs. Good for your friend though, indeed.
It's about time! Why should men be the only ones allowed to make the most money? How come dad can't stay at home and raise the kids, mom had to endure the pregnancy?
Have you ever noticed (at least in my experience) that men are more racist than women?
Racism, sexism. I think this thread should really be entitled "ism's".
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For every facet of my humanity, there is a sound that can touch my soul, in a way that words cannot express. ---Outsider
I understand all too well what happens when a protester loses. The government made a serious mistake in writing here. They put their race discrimination in writing, and it has provoked a very strong lawsuit against them.
The same government entity put it in writing (and verified with witnesses) that a minority company will receive stolen plans from another company. When that company protested, the minority company offered a $50,000 bribe to the company to drop the protest and help them fix the government bid so it could go to a minority company.
When the company refused the bribe, and reported the bribe to the government, the government dropped the company's protest, and awarded the contract through a back door.
Needless to say, there is a lawsuit against the government for this too. As for grants, it does not do a company any good to get a grant if the government (whom the company exists for in the first place) continually violates laws in order to contract with whom they want.
It is MUCH easier for the government to use a minority contractual vehicle (actually lazy government) than it is for them to award contracts to non-minorities. They have a system set up (8a set-aside) which the government abuses so bad that they will take plans from a small business and award them "in good faith of course" to a minority company.
This too is in litigation.
Something needs to be done to stop whatever you call this. If it's racism, discrimination, whatever label you want to put on it.
Or really, perhaps the non-minorities should form a group much like the ACLU and attack back.
You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.
You call me "Cracker", "Honkey", "Whitey" and even "The Man" and you think it's OK.
But when I call you, "******", "Kike", "Towelhead", "Sand-******", "Camel Jockey", "Beaner" or "Chink" you call me a racist.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live
You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
You have BET.
If we had WET(white entertainment television) we'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day you would call us racists.
If we had white history month, we'd be racists.
In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights.
If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it.
But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.
You call each other "*****s", but when we call you that, you call us racists.
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us.
But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.
I am white.
I am proud.
I am an American.
But, you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists?
01-05-2004 10:32 PM
), but there are PLENTY of grants out there for women to open up businesses...all you have to do is look for them....they arent hard to find.
