Okay....Ive seen the terminator movies...not yet this one...but the first one Im still perplexed over...in a funny way of course...
So explain this....
John, the son of Sarah, was the son of his friend who came from the future to save his mothers life so she could give birth to John....how was he the father if he came back from the future to save her life in the first place so she could give birth to him? Where did John come from then originally? I mean in the future...he and John were the same age.....well you get the point
Explain on!!
Like I said...its all in fun....
Of course thats just my opinion....I could be wrong. (Dennis Miller)
"You might be the toughest little whacker. . .but in my world, you're about as worrisome as a cloudy day." (Dutch Dooley)
I think it's safe to say there are some holes in the plot of these Terminator films - but aren't they just fun to watch?
For example, I found this:
"Confused about the time travel, are ya? I'm not confused about it at all. I'm more interested in why it was that they sent the Terminator to the point in time when they did. Fact is, if they needed to rid the future of the offspring of Sarah Conner, they could have killed any of her ANCESTORS and done the same thing, because without THEM there would be no Sarah. They therefore could have sent a Terminator back in history to (say) the 18th Century, when state-of-the-art weaponry was the flintlock rifle, (no match for a Terminators ability!) and killed her great-great-great grandfather, and hence secured their future with no mess and no bother. Kinda makes you wonder just how smart the people in the future are, doesn't it?"
"Ah yes, this happens everytime you start messing around with time in time-travel movies - The paradox. In this case however, it helps if you think of these events as having taken place in the characters lives for the very first time. I refer to the bit in Back to the Future II when Doc Brown tells Marty (and illustrates on a blackboard) that time is a straight line and anytime we leave that line it then skews off to a new line... (but I think the original line must keep going forward). So knowing this, we can consider that IF the events in Terminator hadn't happened, Sarah might have met a man and made whoopie and had John who then learned from a nice mentor who taught him everything and became the human's last defense when Skynet came into power... Skynet sends the T-800 and John sends Reese - A new line is then skewed from the original timeline. Nothing is mentioned (that I recall) in the first movies about Reese knowing he's John's father. In the second movie John mentions this but I don't recall the exact line, but the second movie is now moving forward under the premise that it exists within this skewed timeline. In fact the guy working on the chip found at the site of the crushed terminator (actor's name is Joe Morton but I can't remember the character... Sorry, right now I do not have "Detailed Files..."), anyway... His wife says "aren't we changing all that right now?" when the Terminator and Sarah and John explain the whole shabang to them. The ending of the movie leaves you with the impression that a new era may have begun (yet a third skewed timeline) and in fact the special edition VHS offers the bright and cheery alternate ending with Sarah playing with her grand children in a park. It helps to think of time as linear, and it also helps to take the Austin Powers way of looking at time travel... "
Originally posted by Marc Flemming I think it's safe to say there are some holes in the plot of these Terminator films - but aren't they just fun to watch?
Absolutely they are fun to watch...I threw out the question just for fun also....I loved the first terminator movie! I just thought Id see what others had to say about it. Its just a movie, and they had made it different...well, it wouldnt be "The Terminator" as we know it and love it!...I know that, but I like to make people think about it anyways...
For example, I found this:
"Confused about the time travel, are ya? I'm not confused about it at all. I'm more interested in why it was that they sent the Terminator to the point in time when they did. Fact is, if they needed to rid the future of the offspring of Sarah Conner, they could have killed any of her ANCESTORS and done the same thing, because without THEM there would be no Sarah. They therefore could have sent a Terminator back in history to (say) the 18th Century, when state-of-the-art weaponry was the flintlock rifle, (no match for a Terminators ability!) and killed her great-great-great grandfather, and hence secured their future with no mess and no bother. Kinda makes you wonder just how smart the people in the future are, doesn't it?"
Very interesting!!!!! Good point!
Of course thats just my opinion....I could be wrong. (Dennis Miller)
"You might be the toughest little whacker. . .but in my world, you're about as worrisome as a cloudy day." (Dutch Dooley)
"Ah yes, this happens everytime you start messing around with time in time-travel movies - The paradox. In this case however, it helps if you think of these events as having taken place in the characters lives for the very first time. I refer to the bit in Back to the Future II when Doc Brown tells Marty (and illustrates on a blackboard) that time is a straight line and anytime we leave that line it then skews off to a new line... (but I think the original line must keep going forward). So knowing this, we can consider that IF the events in Terminator hadn't happened, Sarah might have met a man and made whoopie and had John who then learned from a nice mentor who taught him everything and became the human's last defense when Skynet came into power... Skynet sends the T-800 and John sends Reese - A new line is then skewed from the original timeline. Nothing is mentioned (that I recall) in the first movies about Reese knowing he's John's father. In the second movie John mentions this but I don't recall the exact line, but the second movie is now moving forward under the premise that it exists within this skewed timeline. In fact the guy working on the chip found at the site of the crushed terminator (actor's name is Joe Morton but I can't remember the character... Sorry, right now I do not have "Detailed Files...", anyway... His wife says "aren't we changing all that right now?" when the Terminator and Sarah and John explain the whole shabang to them. The ending of the movie leaves you with the impression that a new era may have begun (yet a third skewed timeline) and in fact the special edition VHS offers the bright and cheery alternate ending with Sarah playing with her grand children in a park. It helps to think of time as linear, and it also helps to take the Austin Powers way of looking at time travel... "
I need to go see this movie! I think I might have to go this week and see it.
I know...I shouldnt question time travel movies...after all...they are only movies...but it is fun!
I hear a T4 is in the works also...is that true?
Of course thats just my opinion....I could be wrong. (Dennis Miller)
"You might be the toughest little whacker. . .but in my world, you're about as worrisome as a cloudy day." (Dutch Dooley)
Hey peoples. I was think in "The Terminator", John is conceived by Sarah and Reese, who was sent back by him to protect Sarah from the T-800. Well in T2, they try to destroy Cyberdyne Systems to prevent Skynet's creation. At the end after Arnie lowers himself into the molten steel, I realised, once Cyberdyne blew up, the T-1000 and the T-800 both died, John should just fade away, and Sarah would be on her own, because the only reason John is there is because of the war between man and machine. Kyle was sent back to save Sarah from evil Arnie. If there's no war, John would not exist because Kyle would have not been sent back to conceive him. Or it would be back at 1984, and Kyle and the terminator would not come through, but the other sarah's would not have been killed and the t-800 and kyle would not arrive.
Also I can understand why in the original 2 terminator films, Skynet fired it's missiles at russia, china and north korea to attack america with the counter attack. It was programmed to attack anyone attacking the U.S.. America troops were trying to turn skynet's core off, so skynet thought:
"I attack anyone attacking america. Hey wait a minute. I'm being attacked. What? My creators are trying to deactivate me. America's attacking me. I must defend aamerica by firing my missiles at the country these people that are attacking me come from."
skynet was programmed to attack anyone attacking america. skynet was being attacked by american soldiers, who's been told by skynet's creators to blow the core. So skynet thought of itself as americas defender. anyone that attacked either america or skynet was an enemy. it didn't matter what country it was. Anyway attacking any american infrastructure was an enemy. as the americans were attacking skynet, skynet's programming said it must retaliate against an enemy and neutralize the threat. so it was created to defend against any attack against america. Skynet was being attacked, and because skynet was america defender, it saw that it must defend america. It just saw who was attacking it, and because it they were attacking america fired missiles at the country they came from, which was in fact america. But because it wanted to rule the world, skynet fired missiles at russia, china, and north korea, the three other biggest nuclear countries. The combined counter attack destroyed america, almost neutralizing the threat.
07-22-2003 08:15 AM
, anyway... His wife says "aren't we changing all that right now?" when the Terminator and Sarah and John explain the whole shabang to them. The ending of the movie leaves you with the impression that a new era may have begun (yet a third skewed timeline) and in fact the special edition VHS offers the bright and cheery alternate ending with Sarah playing with her grand children in a park. It helps to think of time as linear, and it also helps to take the Austin Powers way of looking at time travel... " 
