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ZIMBABWE: Million Man March (II) post #1  quote:



"Zimbabwe will never be a colony again." (President Robert Mugabe)

27 years after historic (1st) march at Zimbabwe Grounds (1/27/80), 1 MILLION men and women gathered at Zimbabwe Grounds to express solidarity with their leader.

Zimbabwe is 4 months away from a historic election (again) and the contestants are the same, the people "versus the British proxies (puppets).

The March is not just TO BE A PROCESSION. It is about defending values of the revolution where thousands of lives were lost against the Rhodesian settler regime .

It SHOWS the world who Zimbabwe citizens would prefer to lead their country, which will expose any manipulation of elections.


"Zimbabweans have a right to all their resources down to the ants and reptiles." (President Mugagbe)

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So 1 million march yet the population of the country is 12 million thats hardly a ringing endorsment is it, mind you murderous dictators have nevere been big anywhere. 1 million is an interesting number though thats exactly the same number of political opponents that have gone missing in the past few years.

Zimbabwe elction and contetstents thats good you are not allowed to contest an election in Zimbabwe you get beat and go to jail hell even if you were allowed to contest you are not allowed to win.

As for Zimbabwe never being a colony again well he's right about that who in thier right mind would want a colony that has hyper inflation, a starving population, that has destroyed farmland, that has no decent health care and where the people live in fear who wants to to get near that.

Doesn't matter anyway there won't be a Zimbabwe in 30 years if things saty the same which they will.


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Actually 2 years ago MAlcolm said this:I will give true history of Zimbabwe . Had to do some research. Unable to spin and create stories like Logebo. and yet we are still waiting for it I really would like to see how you view this hiostry and maybe you could elaborate and tell us about the future of Zimbabwe, it's been near 2 years after all how much research do you need.

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Malcolm you should read the letters from this website, this is what life is like for real people in Zimbabwe not Mugabe or his puppets seriously if you can read this and not be shocked or not question th regime then I don't know whats wrong with you:

http://http://africantears.netfirms...ember2006.shtml

You will see the links on the side over two years worth of letters and lots of links to relevent groups.


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I'm sorry Malcolm but even if I were totally anti-British, anti-Europe, anti-Commonwealth or anti-whatever I would be against Mugabe in the next election. Even if all the claims of corruption and criminal activites performed under his regieme aren't true there can be no denying the Magabe has made Zimbabwe the poorest country in the world.

As the Africa editor for The Economist for seven years, Robert Guest, says Mugabe is to blame for Zimbabwe's economic freefall. "In 1980, the average annual income in Zimbabwe was US$950, and a Zimbabwean dollar was worth more than an American one. By 2003, the average income was less than US$400, and the Zimbabwean economy was in freefall. Mugabe has ruled Zimbabwe for nearly three decades and has led it, in that time, from impressive success to the most dramatic peacetime collapse of any country since Weimar Germany

The way Mugabe treats his opposition is the way a dictator would...it's something I would expect from Hitler or Stalin.

And before you argue that this is merely propaganda I would draw your attention to an incident on March 11 2007 when the opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai was arrested and beaten following a prayer meeting in the Harare suburb of Highfields. During this arrest and assault another member of the Movement for Democratic Change was killed while other protesters were injured.

Afterwards Mugabe claimed that "Tsvangirai deserved his beating-up by police because he was not allowed to attend a banned rally" on March 30, 2007.

I'm afraid I'm in agreement with Lodge here.


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I'm sorry Malcolm but even if I were totally anti-British, anti-Europe, anti-Commonwealth or anti-whatever I would be against Mugabe in the next election. Even if all the claims of corruption and criminal activites performed under his regieme aren't true there can be no denying the Magabe has made Zimbabwe the poorest country in the world.

As the Africa editor for The Economist for seven years, Robert Guest, says Mugabe is to blame for Zimbabwe's economic freefall. "In 1980, the average annual income in Zimbabwe was US$950, and a Zimbabwean dollar was worth more than an American one. By 2003, the average income was less than US$400, and the Zimbabwean economy was in freefall. Mugabe has ruled Zimbabwe for nearly three decades and has led it, in that time, from impressive success to the most dramatic peacetime collapse of any country since Weimar Germany

The way Mugabe treats his opposition is the way a dictator would...it's something I would expect from Hitler or Stalin.

And before you argue that this is merely propaganda I would draw your attention to an incident on March 11 2007 when the opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai was arrested and beaten following a prayer meeting in the Harare suburb of Highfields. During this arrest and assault another member of the Movement for Democratic Change was killed while other protesters were injured.

Afterwards Mugabe claimed that "Tsvangirai deserved his beating-up by police because he was not allowed to attend a banned rally" on March 30, 2007.

I'm afraid I'm in agreement with Lodge here.



Instead of agreeing with someone who has an bias agenda against (Cde) Mugagbe. Why don't you get information about (Cde) Mugagbe and Britain's history with Zimbabwe and have your own OBJECTIVE opinion. Lodgbo is a "manchurian"( see movie manchurian canidate) whose job is to smear President Mugabe. THINK FOR YOURSELF.

For example, your opinion of Tsvangiriral (so-called) beating incident seems as if you and lodgebo get info from the same source. But there are other articles that say " Tsvangirai , among others were deliberately defying the law and provoking a violent confrontationn withe the police and the government."

An eyewitness with the (MDC) said after incident:

"All in all there were only about 30 police and there were more than 1000 - we were too many for them. They could not control what was happening." and " We picked up their (police) discarded sticks and used them to beat their left-behind colleagues" ( BBC article 'Eyewitness: Harare's brutal clash')

Over a thousand protesters, mostily youths, and 30 police officers who were eventually overpowered by (MDC) protestors. The small number of police clearly showed that the police did not come out prepared for a confrontation. Do you believe 1000+ (MDC) supporters would allow there leader (Tsvangirai)to be beaten as Western controlled media reports?

From that article there is no way anyone( Pro-Mugagbe or British) can say Tsvangirai was beaten as you and lodgebo say.

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Actually 2 years ago MAlcolm said this:I will give true history of Zimbabwe . Had to do some research. Unable to spin and create stories like Logebo. and yet we are still waiting for it I really would like to see how you view this hiostry and maybe you could elaborate and tell us about the future of Zimbabwe, it's been near 2 years after all how much research do you need.


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Instead of agreeing with someone who has an bias agenda against (Cde) Mugagbe. Why don't you get information about (Cde) Mugagbe and Britain's history with Zimbabwe and have your own OBJECTIVE opinion. Lodgbo is a "manchurian"( see movie manchurian canidate) whose job is to smear President Mugabe. THINK FOR YOURSELF.


For your information Mr. the-world-is-against-me. I actually started to post my reply before Lodge. He just happens to be a hell of a lot faster in replying than me. And I looked on several sources before posting so I got a pretty accurate idea of how the Zimbabwean Economy was doing.

I'll admit that my talking about the how Mugabe treats the political oposition in Zimababwe was perhaps a gut reaction on my part but the economy bit wasn't.

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For example, your opinion of Tsvangiriral (so-called) beating incident seems as if you and lodgebo get info from the same source. But there are other articles that say " Tsvangirai , among others were deliberately defying the law and provoking a violent confrontationn withe the police and the government."

An eyewitness with the (MDC) said after incident:

"All in all there were only about 30 police and there were more than 1000 - we were too many for them. They could not control what was happening." and " We picked up their (police) discarded sticks and used them to beat their left-behind colleagues" ( BBC article 'Eyewitness: Harare's brutal clash')

Over a thousand protesters, mostily youths, and 30 police officers who were eventually overpowered by (MDC) protestors. The small number of police clearly showed that the police did not come out prepared for a confrontation. Do you believe 1000+ (MDC) supporters would allow there leader (Tsvangirai)to be beaten as Western controlled media reports?

From that article there is no way anyone( Pro-Mugagbe or British) can say Tsvangirai was beaten as you and lodgebo say.


Your right somewhat there Malcolm. Tsvangirai was breaking the law as discribed by Robert Mugabe. This is because Mugabe had banned any an all public meetings not sanctioned by his party. However this was not a violent confrontation between Tsvangirai and the police and he was not even at the rally when he was attacked, he was on the way to it, level of violence that was used on him was totally unacceptable and Mugabe should not have condoned it.

It would be just like Gordon Brown sending police to break up the Torrie Party coonferance and letting them beat David Cameron black and blue. It is thuggery and it should not be allowed or condoned by any politician.

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I dont think that quote is right either. It doesn't have the Churchill flair. The only quote I can think of that is similar to the one you claim is his is during his famous "fight them on the beaches" speach where he says we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender,"


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Be careful what you ask for ... you might get it.


I don't want to be careful I want to live dangerously furnish us with the facts 2 years research is going to be a hell of a read.

PS what did you think of the link I posted ?


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]I don't think that quote is right either. It doesn't have the Churchill flair.

Read what is called his greatest speech ever.

Winston Churchill's 4 minutes and 12 seconds speech on October 29, 1941( Britain was under attack from fellow imperial aspirant Germany) at the Harrow School of Excellence has always been remembered as his GREATEST SPEECH EVER- all for three words made eight by the repitition of one.

"Never,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever give in."

(On the the war with Germany)
"Did you not expect to move from crisis to crisis?"
" You cannot tell from appearences how things will go"

( Advice for his people)
"Without imagination nothing will ever happen."

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And your reserach on Zimbabwe Malcolm?

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And your reserach on Zimbabwe Malcolm?


Do you know any history on Britain's occupation of Zimbabwe?


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What I know is irrelevent this is YOUR research that we are waiting for you know the reserach you were going get over 2 years back so where is it?

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What I know is irrelevent this is YOUR research that we are waiting for you know the reserach you were going get over 2 years back so where is it?


MY research doesn't prevent you from answering (simple) question: Do you know the HISTORY of Britain's occupation of Zimbabwe? (yes or no) is all thats needed.


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When you show us YOUR resarch I will give MY answer so put up or shut up Malcolm have you been doing research or are you just full of s***?

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When you show us YOUR resarch I will give MY answer so put up or shut up Malcolm have you been doing research or are you just full of s***?



You call someone full of ****, but cannot answer a simple (yes or no) question given to you on (my) thread.

Pot jkust answer the question.


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No you get my answer when I get your research because I am not going to debate this issue with someone who has no grasp of the subject.

Why not jujst admit Malcolm when you said you were going to research Zimbabwe it was and empty threat because you didn't really care or maybe you were going to and there was something better on TV or maybe you saw another pointless cause. Thats why you are full of it because you make all these promises and never see it through get educated, get a grasp of the subject and then you will get your answer until then no dice.


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I will give true history of Zimbabwe . Had to do some research. Unable to spin and create stories like Logebo.

May 20th 2006 you posted that Malcolm so thats around 21 months you have had to do it. Of course I read the other posts and judging by what I read you still think Zimbabwe is not independent.


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No you get my answer when I get your research because I am not going to debate this issue with someone who has no grasp of the subject.

Why not jujst admit Malcolm when you said you were going to research Zimbabwe it was and empty threat because you didn't really care or maybe you were going to and there was something better on TV or maybe you saw another pointless cause. Thats why you are full of it because you make all these promises and never see it through get educated, get a grasp of the subject and then you will get your answer until then no dice.




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I am glad it's only the two of us because you are embarresing yourself. You obviously have no idea waht you are talking about.
I bet you couldn't name the capital of Zimbabwe or past leaders or the year it got independent or it's former name without looking it up and you are the one that has apparently been doing this research. You should have got a corpse to do your research Malcolm it would have got more done.


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I am glad it's only the two of us because you are embarresing yourself. You obviously have no idea waht you are talking about.
I bet you couldn't name the capital of Zimbabwe or past leaders or the year it got independent or it's former name without looking it up and you are the one that has apparently been doing this research. You should have got a corpse to do your research Malcolm it would have got more done.


I don't need your help to embarrass myself. Stop participating in thread.

I bet you cannot name the political organiztion being funded by the UK?


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I don't need your help to embarrass myself.

I couldn't agree more with you, you are doing agreat job of it all by yourself.

Stop participating in thread.

Why your the one that won't post the research your the opnes that is lying your the ones that knows nothing on the subject and you want me to leave why

I bet you cannot name the political organiztion being funded by the UK?


Well you need to be a bit more relevent there are a lot of political organisations that we fund. But be careful Malcolm because if your going to name this organisation you better be able to back it up from a compotent source.


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Well you need to be a bit more relevent there are a lot of political organisations that we fund. But be careful Malcolm because if your going to name this organisation you better be able to back it up from a compotent source.


MDC

Have you heard of this particular( UK funded) political orgaanization?

Is this true? can you give name of organization ? choosen president?


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Malcolm Malcolm Malcolm I knew you were guallable I knew you were easily led but this is a new low even by your pathetic standards

MDC is of course the movement for democratic change it is of course Mr Tsvangirai's party in Zimbabwe a party that wants to remove a murderous dictator and gvive the peopel of Zimbabwe a better life.

Now I kow you belive the Mugabe propaganda that we in the UK fund this party but Mugabe like yourself is an ignorant so and so. You see a few years back Mugabe backed a Zimbabwe law it was called the political finances act, this Mugabe backed act made it illegal for any foreign groups to invest in political parties ( most countries have a law like this) now if the MDC was as you and Mugabe claim being funded by the UK why has he not shut them down after all tahst what he wants in the long run and he could have done this with the full backing of the law.

All this proves what I thought all along you nevere really did any reserach on Zimbabwe did you? because if you did the PF act is basic stuff. Hers what you did you checked a few Mugabe soundbites and articles and ddecided you liked him end of story. Wo If Mugabe is your hero who else do you like Hitler, Sadamm, Stalin very much in the same mould as Mugabe asfter all.


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MDC is of course the movement for democratic change it is of course Mr Tsvangirai's party in Zimbabwe a party that wants to remove a murderous dictator and gvive the peopel of Zimbabwe a better life.

The MDC is not the promblem in Zimbabwe but I want to give a better perspective on the (British funded) opposition party in Zimbabwe.

Popular British journalist Peter Thorncroft on MDC ( one of many):

" I wasn't there in 2000 and I just accepted that the MDC had been cheated in elections and that this was a party that had a majority of support in the country (Zimbabwe). It was only long afterwards that I discovered that in fact OF COURSE Zanu- PF ( Zimbabwe African National Unity- Popular Front) had ENORMOUS support of the country.

I first saw that demonstrated to me in the March elections in 2005. I then saw it again demonstrated in the Budiriro by-election when 4,000 continued to vote for ( Pres. Mugabe's party) Zanu- PF and it was quite a peaceful election.

When the MDC started in 2000, what a pity tha they were addressing people in Sandton mostly white people in Sandton north of Johannesburg instead of being in Dar es Salaam or Ghana or Abuja. They failed to make contact with Africa for so long, THEY WERE IN LONDON, we've just seen it again , Morgan Tsvangirai's just been in America.

Why ism't he in Cairo? Maybe he needs FINANCIAL SUPPORT and he can't get it outside of America and the same would go for Mutambara. They have not done enough in Africa."

And this: " Where are they (MDC) in Mashonaland West, Central- the three Mashonaland provinces? I was just there a few weeks ago, ... I was a journalist and I was able to speak to people and they were very open and chatty with me. I mean the MDC just hasn't tried visit these places. I mean the MDC just hasn't tried to go to any of theses places. And will they ever or they going to remain an urban party in Harare..."


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MDC is of course the movement for democratic change it is of course Mr Tsvangirai's party in Zimbabwe a party that wants to remove a murderous dictator and gvive the peopel of Zimbabwe a better life.

The MDC is not the promblem in Zimbabwe but I want to give a better perspective on the (British funded) opposition party in Zimbabwe.

Popular British journalist Peter Thorncroft on MDC ( one of many):

" I wasn't there in 2000 and I just accepted that the MDC had been cheated in elections and that this was a party that had a majority of support in the country (Zimbabwe). It was only long afterwards that I discovered that in fact OF COURSE Zanu- PF ( Zimbabwe African National Unity- Popular Front) had ENORMOUS support of the country.

I first saw that demonstrated to me in the March elections in 2005. I then saw it again demonstrated in the Budiriro by-election when 4,000 continued to vote for ( Pres. Mugabe's party) Zanu- PF and it was quite a peaceful election.

When the MDC started in 2000, what a pity tha they were addressing people in Sandton mostly white people in Sandton north of Johannesburg instead of being in Dar es Salaam or Ghana or Abuja. They failed to make contact with Africa for so long, THEY WERE IN LONDON, we've just seen it again , Morgan Tsvangirai's just been in America.

Why ism't he in Cairo? Maybe he needs FINANCIAL SUPPORT and he can't get it outside of America and the same would go for Mutambara. They have not done enough in Africa."

And this: " Where are they (MDC) in Mashonaland West, Central- the three Mashonaland provinces? I was just there a few weeks ago, ... I was a journalist and I was able to speak to people and they were very open and chatty with me. I mean the MDC just hasn't tried visit these places. I mean the MDC just hasn't tried to go to any of theses places. And will they ever or they going to remain an urban party in Harare..."


Forgot to give link ( current news).

" The UK and US govs have been backing president Mugagbe's opposition (MDC) FINNACIALLY and have imposed sanctions on the country ( Zimbabwe)." ( lodgebo wrong again

Britain's coup plot in Zimbabwe
www.presstv.com/pop/print.aspx?id=44867


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Thats nothing in fac t thats less than nothing. Lets see what was written the UK and US have imposed sanctions yeah that very true but so have the EU, Canada and pretty much the rest of the western world and some African countries to so we can alreadys ee the agenda of press TV ( no respected outlets carrying this story Maclolm?). The ruling party will respect the elction result well duh of course they will bnecquse the elction is rigged they have already won or didn't you figure that out. People will burn if Zimbabwe burns well they can't afford a proper fire service so yeah that would be right but burning is quicker than being tortured or starved to death I guess. and this idea of having $ or ? in thier pockets it's like anything else in Zimbabwe all hersay without any evidence as per ususal. As for the letter so what Gordon Brown brlives in demoracy and he would like to see it in Zimbabwe who wouldn't anything is better than tyranny is it not.

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NOW MALCOLM YOU RESEARCH ON ZIMBABWE PLEASE

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Thats nothing in fac t thats less than nothing. Lets see what was written the UK and US have imposed sanctions yeah that very true but so have the EU, Canada and pretty much the rest of the western world and some African countries to so we can alreadys ee the agenda of press TV ( no respected outlets carrying this story Maclolm?). The ruling party will respect the elction result well duh of course they will bnecquse the elction is rigged they have already won or didn't you figure that out. People will burn if Zimbabwe burns well they can't afford a proper fire service so yeah that would be right but burning is quicker than being tortured or starved to death I guess. and this idea of having $ or ? in thier pockets it's like anything else in Zimbabwe all hersay without any evidence as per ususal. As for the letter so what Gordon Brown brlives in demoracy and he would like to see it in Zimbabwe who wouldn't anything is better than tyranny is it not.



So your saying news posted by presstv is not credible because Western countries ( friendly with the UK) are not covering story?

Who should we trust to get our news ? Who do you trust?


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No what I am saying is the story talks about sanctions but we already knew that, it talks about the ruling party winning the election but we all know thats going to happen it talks about Gordon Brown pushing for democracy again we all ready knew taht because these things have been reported in mainstream media for months. In short it's old news that press TV is trying to make into todays news.

What I am also saying is that whole burning with dollars or pounds is nothing that is eveindece of what exactly?, when you read it sounds like the ramblings of a mad man and press TV cannot publsih what they and you think it menas because it's not true and they risk being sued and getting in thier knuckles rapped for false information etc etc because they are lacking that thing you are always lacking in your ramblings - good evidence.

Now Malcolm your research on Zimbabwe where is it.


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