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Nigerian leader's have been vocal critics of the new U.S. military command for Africa (Africom). The government made it official recently when government offcials met the President Umaru Yar'Adua.

Nigeria is top source of African oil for U.S.




- google "Nigeria rejects hosting of new US military command"


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ABUJA, Nigeria (AP) - Nigeria won?t host the U.S. military?s new Africa-wide military command, taking Africa?s most-populous nation and a top source of American oil imports out of contention.

Nigerian leaders have been vocal critics of the new U.S. military command for Africa. The government made its position official recently as President Umaru Yar?Adua met with state governors and federal lawmakers.

Nigeria is also against the U.S. command basing its headquarters elsewhere in West Africa, where the country of 140 million is a major military and diplomatic heavyweight, said Kwara State Governor Bukola Saraki, who announced the government?s position after the meeting.

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The U.S. has said it aims to better protect America?s strategic interest in Africa and assist African countries with military training and conflict prevention. But a number of African countries?including Libya and South Africa?have expressed reservations about a move that could signal an expansion of U.S. influence on the continent and may focus primarily on protecting oil interests.

Africom currently operates out of existing U.S. bases on the continent with a headquarters in Stuttgart, Germany. War-wrecked Liberia, settled by freed American slaves in the 1800s, is the only African nation that has publicly offered to host a headquarters.


http://www.finalcall.com/artman/pub...icle_4177.shtml


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Well, it's absolutely their right to do so. And no continent has seen the negative aspects of imperialism like Africa has.

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Yeah it thier choice to do as they please it does not change anything really though for 2 reasons. Firstly there will still be an Africom in effect Africa will just be a side issue for Eurocom or Paicificom, they won't be as effective if Africa needs help and will take longer to get there and of course will get no help at all if Europe of one of the Pacific Rim countries are in trouble of course that just means the AU will have to do thier bit ( god help them). Secondly just because Nigeria said no does not mean that other countries will refuse there are still another 45 mainland African states of which around 25- 30 would be suitable and I would imagine the mid african countries will be Americans preffered choice

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http://www.finalcall.com/artman/pub...icle_4177.shtml


How did get link to work? I cannot get finalcall links to work.


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Yeah it thier choice to do as they please it does not change anything really though for 2 reasons. Firstly there will still be an Africom in effect Africa will just be a side issue for Eurocom or Paicificom, they won't be as effective if Africa needs help and will take longer to get there and of course will get no help at all if Europe of one of the Pacific Rim countries are in trouble of course that just means the AU will have to do thier bit ( god help them). Secondly just because Nigeria said no does not mean that other countries will refuse there are still another 45 mainland African states of which around 25- 30 would be suitable and I would imagine the mid african countries will be Americans preffered choice



Liberia's ( puppet) gov is only to allow "comand".

The only African country Africom doesn't cover is Egypt.


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How did get link to work? I cannot get finalcall links to work.


I just copied and pasted the link from the address bar in my browser.


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Liberia's ( puppet) gov is only to allow "comand".

So you are saying that 45 countries 52 if you count the Islands have said no? and can you back up the calims you have made before in other threads that this is about oil? and do you think it really is in Africa best interest for the continent ( a continent that has seen more wars than any other) to be at best a side issue for another regional force? All these countries don't have NATO protetcion, they could rely on help from the old rulers and the pressure they would put on the EU but that would be limited help, the UN could offer assistance but that is slow and the UN I think would be wary of high odds of onhe corrupt leader being replaced by another if a civil war was to break out. There is of course the AU but going on recent missions they are a piss poor force and cannot handle the major or important missions that conflicts bring up. All I am saying is that Africa needs some sort of force to keep the peace or bing peace about in a conflict look at Darfur it took years to get AU peacekeeprs in there they failed and the first thing the other sates did was turn to the UN for help now other peacekeeprs 100,000+ are going in next year but that is to late for the ones that were murderd , gang raped, tortured and dissapeared .


The only African country Africom doesn't cover is Egypt.


Yeah thats because due to it's geographical location it is easier to group it in with the Middle east version.


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I just copied and pasted the link from the address bar in my browser.




I will follow tour advice and continue trying to post links.


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Yeah thats because due to it's geographical location it is easier to group it in with the Middle east version.


The answer to " back up claims" question, read final paragraph of link Dekkoo provided.


When it comes to issues that we are discussing concerning Africa. You have a patern:

~ FILLIBURST to cause confusion of topic , so you can spin for (status quo) agenda

~ you use African conflicts to justify your opinion on African issues BUT never give us full picture(why, who) of the conflicts. Or you give only the consequence ( what we can see) of the conflicts. This keeps your opinion( on African issues) irrelevant.

~ make PATERNALISTIC statements about Africa needing some kind of "help" from Europeon organizations. Never mention other countries like Venuzuela that is helping Africa now.

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[QUOTE]malcolm xx said this in post #10 :
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The answer to " back up claims" question, read final paragraph of link Dekkoo provided.

I was talking about Egypt and possible military geographical status the last paragraph of Dekka's post talks about Liberia so what exactly is your point?


When it comes to issues that we are discussing concerning Africa. You have a patern:

~ FILLIBURST to cause confusion of topic , so you can spin for (status quo) agenda

Really? got any examples or are you just spouting off again?

~ you use African conflicts to justify your opinion on African issues BUT never give us full picture(why, who) of the conflicts.

Full pictiure of the conflicts would take a long time but to get an overview here it is. Most people look at African conflicts and think that wars are a result of local tribal diffrences and cultures thats is compltely wrong. In fact most wars are born out of the following reasons mainly poverty, social exclusion, failed political systems, abuse of lack / of democracy and countries that are to economically reliant on there natural resources.

Or you give only the consequence ( what we can see) of the conflicts. This keeps your opinion( on African issues) irrelevant.

The consquences are millions dead and Africa going backward not forward in the last 30 years there have been 166 civil wars in Africa making it offcially the most war prone continent in the history of mankind. Hell look at Congo and how close they are to war with Sudan at the moment all it takes is one refugee thinking he can make the border and it will kick off and what does history of Africa show? that it is unsual for a war between just 2 countries and these wars are long term issues. Now thats not my vies that's the view of the UN and AU are they irrelevent?

~ make PATERNALISTIC statements about Africa needing some kind of "help" from Europeon organizations.

It's not paternalistic it's fact and if you were not so ignorant and took your blinkers off you would see it. The UK and France consistently lead the way in assisting the countries that they used to rule over if you don't believe it look up the banana wars for a history lesson. Look at the aid the EU gives, the effort they have given to Darfur.
Look further than the EU to the UN all the billions Africa get's in aid the troops that have gone to Africa to solve problems ( In was one so don't lecture me on this) and the more that are having to to Sudan. If we are paternalising Africa the facts say that Africa asks us to
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Never mention other countries like Venuzuela that is helping Africa now.

Well lets see Venzuela has a corrupt leader as do most Africa countries yep they are made for each other. Also don't fool yourself Malcolm if the US was not interested in Africa Chavez would not either.


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Actually little pondering for Malcolm and other show think the EU and othe enjoy the "paternalistic" stance we take on Africa. The EU countries like others have thier own financial issues and problems they could probably put thier money to better use, in the Banana wars acse they could have probably done without a trade war with the US and the threat of embargo's, when the EU were talking about a Rapid reaction forces they could have made life easier if they did not include offering help to Africa. In all the cases though they made life difficult for themselves to help a continent that needs help. The reason I bring this up is what do you think would happen if we decide to stop being "paternalisitic" and withdrew financial aid, medical aid, military aid if you need it? do you think Africa could survive and the citizens live a decent life or not. If you think it could then Malcolm is right we are being arrogant paternalists if you think it could not thne we are tryinf to do the right thing in very difficuly situations.

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I personally think that any outside meddling in African affairs, even if it is well-intentioned, is ultimately bad for African well-being in the long run.

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I personally think that any outside meddling in African affairs, even if it is well-intentioned, is ultimately bad for African well-being in the long run.




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So you think we should all piss off financial and medical aid and take our well intentioned incentives and let African nations get on with it, well thats ok Malcolm you see every month I give ?300 that's $600 to the Charity Oxfam but now that you and Dekka have schooled me I have cancelled the standing order and will use my well intentioned cash on me I guess. Now imagine that on a grander scale if all the countries that support Africa did that you would be on here in a flash *****ing about it. You can't have it both ways Africa has proved itself incapable of change mainly due to the reasons I mentioned before until it sorts those issues out it will be reliant on aid end of story.

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see the thing is, is when African countries get aid from European/Western countries, they become dependent on that money, instead of developing an ecoomy where they can stand on their own two feet.

not only that, but being dependent on another country more or less means that country has power over you. Every country wants sovereignity, including African countries.

but then with things going on like the AIDS epidemic, it's hard to just stand by and watch it happen, so it's a very complicated issue.


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So you think we should all piss off financial and medical aid and take our well intentioned incentives and let African nations get on with it, well thats ok Malcolm you see every month I give ?300 that's $600 to the Charity Oxfam but now that you and Dekka have schooled me I have cancelled the standing order and will use my well intentioned cash on me I guess. Now imagine that on a grander scale if all the countries that support Africa did that you would be on here in a flash *****ing about it. You can't have it both ways Africa has proved itself incapable of change mainly due to the reasons I mentioned before until it sorts those issues out it will be reliant on aid end of story.



Save your "aid". ( good slogan ) and let Africa solve its promblems like other countries.

This has been my only postion against European countries that have historically aided Africa.

Your "having it both ways claim" is something you created or interpreted.


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Save your "aid". ( good slogan ) and let Africa solve its promblems like other countries.


What part of it don't yoiu get Africa CANNOT solve it's on problems it has proved that time and time again.
This has been my only postion against European countries that have historically aided Africa.

Again Africa needs that aid because of stupid financial ideas and corrupt leadership just this week the ANC voted a new leader in he will be the president of South Africa but he is also on corruption charges thats part of Africa's problem it has a terrible history of having leaders that have damaged thier countries instead of helping them. What happend to Africa's jewel when it got independence Malcolm? nuff said.

Your "having it both ways claim" is something you created or interpreted.


No YOU want it both ways YOU want Africa to prosper but you want to slap those who want to help. Just out of interest what are YOU doing to make things better in Africa.


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