lodgebo01 said this in post #29 : I think one thing that is importan tto remebere is that in 5 or 10 years time we can't have people like Malcolm and other complaining that there are no or very little blacks in positions of authority in the forces because that is what will happen and those in authority in the forces have been there a long time and have seen battle at some point so if you have majority whites now you have majoiryt white leaders in the future.
Also I read Currys article didn't have enought time to read it in depth but I think he is wrong because every article or segment I have seen says that hispanics have high numbers in the military.
Is declining # of Blacks in military going to be the new justification for the historic racial bias of the lack of high ranking soildiers in the military?
5 or 10 years ago when Blacks were enlisting at high numbers, the argument of lack of Baclk 4-star generals could be made.
Can you name a high ranking Black in the military?Colin "puppet" Powell and is all I can think of. There is someone over Africom.
Malcolm if blacks are not in the military or will be in the minority in the army then how can you expect there to be a number of black commanders in the future? You can't just walk into the forces and expect to be a commander that takes years and people who have the balls to fight when there is a battle on.
lodgebo01 said this in post #32 : Malcolm if blacks are not in the military or will be in the minority in the army then how can you expect there to be a number of black commanders in the future? You can't just walk into the forces and expect to be a commander that takes years and people who have the balls to fight when there is a battle on.
What about the past? Explain the lack of Black commanders when their wasn't a decline? This type of predjudice is a factor into why Blacks are declining from the military.
Every war America has fought ( and started) Blacks were in the minority, so this point is also HISTORICALLY wrong.
Well I am talking about the future, a future which I bet you will be whining about soon enough. As for the past well I don't know of any black American military leaders but I do know one of the higehst ranking men in the USAF is black.
The proposed leader of the the now doomed Africom was black, I saw Marine corp units in Iraq that were led by blacks, I think there are blacks in roles of authority in the Pentagon and Colin Powell was a black general long before he was Bush's right hand man. You also have Togo d West who was secretary of army as was Clifford Alexander ( the last 2 are were not serving soldiers but had an integral military role). In the air force you have major gen Edward Rice, chief sergent master Gary Coleman (seriously), The fact is that you have 16 positions of high command and over 1000 high ranking soldiers going or them.
The fact is maybe the wrong type of black soldiers maybe the ones that apply are not smart enough or disciplined enough or has the right leadership skills it could be the case.
What about the past? Explain the lack of Black commanders when their wasn't a decline? This type of predjudice is a factor into why Blacks are declining from the military.
Every war America has fought ( and started) Blacks were in the minority, so this point is also HISTORICALLY wrong.
They were probably a minority because they were...a minority. If you have, let's say, 30% of America is African-American, then obviously the levels of black people will be lower in the country's military. I'm not talking about current recruitment levels, I mean in general.
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lodgebo01 said this in post #34 : Well I am talking about the future, a future which I bet you will be whining about soon enough. As for the past well I don't know of any black American military leaders but I do know one of the higehst ranking men in the USAF is black.
The proposed leader of the the now doomed Africom was black, I saw Marine corp units in Iraq that were led by blacks, I think there are blacks in roles of authority in the Pentagon and Colin Powell was a black general long before he was Bush's right hand man. You also have Togo d West who was secretary of army as was Clifford Alexander ( the last 2 are were not serving soldiers but had an integral military role). In the air force you have major gen Edward Rice, chief sergent master Gary Coleman (seriously), The fact is that you have 16 positions of high command and over 1000 high ranking soldiers going or them.
The fact is maybe the wrong type of black soldiers maybe the ones that apply are not smart enough or disciplined enough or has the right leadership skills it could be the case.
To correct a promblem for the future you have to look its history, to understand what is needed to be corrected. I think you know this.
Your list of Black military leaders are irrelevant if they are never seen. How can WE know if they are never mentioneds in the media? Where is the Black David Patreous? tv military analyst?
or the FACT could be a promblem with something in the military and not the black soldiers you have condemed? Have you ask yourself that question? Why can't you question and hold your military accountable for anything contraversial issues? Racism exists in the military sysstem ( and the officers).
Have you ever critcized your military? defend the soldiers?
To correct a promblem for the future you have to look its history, to understand what is needed to be corrected. I think you know this.
No Malcolm history will not solve the percieved or actual problems of today, a wise man once said" the man that lives in the past can never embrace his future" it's the same here looking at historys problems can educate us yes but we cannot live by what happend in the past.
Your list of Black military leaders are irrelevant if they are never seen.
So now YOU are calling black leaders good soldiers very probably good men irrelevant thats sad actually. Face it you don't want black military commanders with dignity you want a black military commander to jump on the roof of the Pentagon and shout " hey black leader here folks". Malcolm ask yourself this - with the exception of war when do you see military commanders.
How can WE know if they are never mentioneds in the media?
So why do you want them in the media don't you think it would be degrading to drag these men away from thier jobs and put them on TV like some freak show just to prove the military is not racist, that would be wropng IMO and I don't think those men would appreciate it.
Where is the Black David Patreous? tv military analyst?
Don't know about the TV analysts but the black Davi Peraeus you wnat there was a whole load of them on that "irrelevent" list I posted.
or the FACT could be a promblem with something in the military and not the black soldiers you have condemed? Have you ask yourself that question?
Not condemmig them just stating the facts that some soldiers white and black think they are better than they actually are and go for advancement to quick when they lack the skills. Nine times out of 10 in the military if you are good enough you get in, sometimes you can be to good at your job but are kept in that position to help young guys coming through.
Why can't you question and hold your military accountable for anything contraversial issues? Racism exists in the military sysstem ( and the officers).
So we have gone from US military to UK military now. There are controversial issues in any army malcolm thats a fact you want to bring them up for discusssion fine by me. As for racism well there is what people like you would call racism but what everyone else including black soldiers calls good banter.
I was in the marines then the special forces Malcolm I worked with blacks and whites and the one time I heard racist remarks made they guy didn't know what hit him I thought my CO was actually going to physically hit him but of course he didn't have to. so it's not tolerated at all. Also FYI the leader of the UK's second string special forces SBS used to be a black man very highly thought of he died in a training accident a few years back. So blacks to get high up the ladder of course you never seen him so he doesn't count right ?
Have you ever critcized your military?
Yes it's not a perfect unit never will be but it's still the best army in the world.
defend the soldiers?
I will defend the soldiers always however if they do something wrong they must pay the price for that wrongdoing.
10-30-2007 01:26 AM
