“The attack was the result of escalating border clashes, which had begun almost immediately after the signing of the armistice in 1949. The state of Israel was confronted by a wave of Palestinian infiltrations.Between June 1949 the end of 1952, a total of 57 Israelis, mostly civilians, were killed by infiltrators from Jordan. The Israeli death toll for the first 9 months of 1953 was 32. The Qibya massacre was claimed to be a case of Israeli response to these infiltrations.”
I asked you which author wrote this, which you failed to cite.
You also conveniently circumvented the Ze'ev Jabotinsky's offensive quotations, which I included in my last post.
You said:
"So because of this, you reject anything written in Wikipedia without study?"
No, I didn't say I reject 'everything', this is wilful fantasy. I was attempting to illustrate that Wikipedia is your divine Oracle. A repository for amateur historians, in my opinion. I would prefer it if your sourced books that you've read relating to the conflict.
You said:
"It must be very hard living in a world where so many people are beneath your intellect all knowing one."
It's so unquestionably hard to live with this notion that it makes me mistime my footsteps almost every time I'm practising the tango.
You said:
"If in fact, the attacks were based in emotion and not reason, which I totally agree, how does this justify its actions?"
It's not a case of justifying, but understanding why, and this I have explained to you several times (refer to my previous posts).
I read your weblinks to institutionalised discrimination. Interesting read.
As I stated at the beginning of our conversation: I know very little about the Palestine/Israeli conflict; ergo, I am not taking sides. And, having read about discrimination towards Palestinians in Lebanon, it has left me feeling that discrimination against Palestinians in, and from, any country is abhorant, whether it be Jewish discrimination or Arab. The weakest minds play the discrimination card in my view.
You said:
"There’s more [information about discrimination] but I suppose you wouldn’t take the time of day so why should I"
Never assume: it's the habit of the idle.
You said:
"I never had to provide so many sources during my college years."
Not really interested in how you were allowed to behave at your college. You're dialoguing with me now. The rules conform to a level of strictness that Socrates would approve of.
You said:
"Furthermore, what strategic interest could Israel provide the US with in the ME when they’re hated so much by the region?"
Without reasearching the matter, I can only think that the US gains, to some degree, by having military garrisons in Israel. But I may spend the weekend researching US strategic importance in Israel.
You said:
"Where in the bible are Israelis called snakes? Besides, I’ve heard Palestinians make this reference not the bible."
I never actually said Israel had been called snakes in the Bible – you misinterpreted my words, which is easy to do if you don't read them punctiliously. I merely said you like your symbolic Biblical references (snake), a creature that is so often used in relation to derogatory behaviour.
I am surprised to see you posting here again. I haven't posted here in many months as this place seems to be a ghost town. Do you post here because you haven't found a better forum for these discussions or for another reason I can't think of?
If you recall, a few years ago I was of a different mindset and I had a tendency to disagree with you on almost everything -- since then however I have gone through a vigorous cognitive cleansing.
That said, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on many issues, not assuming you're an open book, but I do recall some of your bloviations to be enlightening.
I really dislike the "no right mouse click" feature of this forum because my spell checker relies on it.
Preston, have you seen the internet movie called Zeitgeist? It's a leftist propaganda-infested film, but I found it to be mind-expanding nonetheless. I would love to know your thoughts regarding the film.
Please pardon my pseudo-intellectuaphilisophicalismysiticality.
Good to hear from you again. I recall us having some interesting tete-a-tete exchanges.
I'd like to hear more about your 'vigorous cognitive cleansing.'
I haven't seen the film 'Zeitgeist' but I shall certainly have a look at the reviews.
I don't post on here regularly. But, for the last month or so, I have been embroiled in a discussion about the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, which I'm learning more about every day through discussions on this site.
On a side note... what do you guys think we could do here to make this site more popular again? We need old school members posting more. We made this place, let's keep it going.
HECK! said this in post #109 : On a side note... what do you guys think we could do here to make this site more popular again? We need old school members posting more. We made this place, let's keep it going.
-HECK!
I think you have to figure out a way to promote the site externally, so you can drive more people to the site. People have to be made aware of it.
Good to hear from you again. I recall us having some interesting tete-a-tete exchanges.
I'd like to hear more about your 'vigorous cognitive cleansing.'
I haven't seen the film 'Zeitgeist' but I shall certainly have a look at the reviews.
I don't post on here regularly. But, for the last month or so, I have been embroiled in a discussion about the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, which I'm learning more about every day through discussions on this site.
Preston
I have always been angry at the world for it's shortcomings, especially considering how dreadfully long society has been here, and failed to perfect it's self. But I realized that the only person or thing I can blame are those who deny their human nature, opting for superficiality, thus rejecting the notion that other people are, indeed, human.
My father embraced his humanity and the humanity of everyone around him. He scoffed at pop-culture, and religion (though he believed in god). He was sophisticated, but rejected the notion that the value of his life could ever be measured in materials.
When my father passed away a year and some months ago a startling thing happened to me (besides grief of course). My perspective changed entirely. I could 'see' the sum of my father's entire life -- every moment he ever shared with me through stories or in person -- all added up. I doubt I have to elaborate further, if you've ever lost someone you know exactly what I mean.
It's an unfortunate, but necessary right of passage that one must go through to find the 'path' of enlightenment (in my opinion).
I left this as vague as it is for a reason. I have to go now but I look forward to future discussions.
Please pardon my pseudo-intellectuaphilisophicalismysiticality.
HECK! said this in post #112 : Haha, no Curley Joe.
I think we have good Google placement, we just need more current topics on the site so people find it.
-HECK!
Quite frankly, this site is dead for a reason that people around here haven't quite grasped. The year is now 2007, and the likes of myspace and youtube own the internet. Free information is available in quicker and more interesting ways than this site provides. It needs a complete overhaul.
I am a member of a bulletin board dedicated to an 8 year old video game, and it has more traffic on it because of simple features such as a shout-box, blog-style homepage for updates, up-to-date color scheme, among many other things.
This entire board should be archived, and rebuilt from the ground up.
Please pardon my pseudo-intellectuaphilisophicalismysiticality.
Sorry to hear about the loss of your father. It's not something I've had to experience yet (the loss of one's father) but I know what death in the family feels like.
I suppose most people never actually got over being born. There is no rehearsal prior to being born. We are clumsily tossed out into an unknown world and expected to land on our feet, where we must tread life's unpredictable boards whilst making up the lines as we go along. And we are sometimes blinded by the limelights that have a habit of wretchedly shining into our eyes when we least expect them to do so. It's the greatest art form in the world – learning how to live a fully-explored and developed character. Very few people learn to perfect this craft. Perhaps we are meant to be amateur performers in this life, for maybe this is merely a rehearsal for a performance that awaits us in a magnificent theatre beyond the four walls of this world.
Here is what I am saying. It is a mistake to think that just because you have a site on the Internet, the whole world marches past, takes a look, and makes a judgement as to whether to stay or leave. It is not a matter of having a site that attracts people. They will not know you are there unless there is an external reason to come to your site. The whole world may be marching past, but they are marching past a gallery of closed doors. And they don't have time to open them all to see what is inside.
There might be an advantage in remodeling the site. It may encourage people to stay once they find it, but it will not help draw them in. What is needed is some kind of external promotion that will drive them to seek out the site.
External promotion tends to cost money, so one needs to shop wisely. But, for example, if you advertised heavily in an appropriate, large circulating, national print media, IN REVIEW could see an unlimited number of new members. It would make no difference whether you changed the site structure or not.
But instead of spending that kind of money, a better approach might be to embark on widening the distribution by linking to other sites with related content. That too would be an external driver. (IMHO)
Staying with changes to the site I honestly think a little background colour might make the site more welcoming grey and White are hardly colours that attract people they normal see these as boring colours.
I also agree with Euclid that advertising through appropriate genres will help a lot.
07-27-2007 09:53 AM
