What the hell? Malcolm, WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOUR INFORMATION FROM?? Is it coming from the OFFICIAL CHEROKEE WEBSITE, or from some other source? I mean, this is getting to be RIDICULOUS. It's almost as if there's a blanket over your eyes making you see things that just aren't there... Where, on the OFFICIAL CHEROKEE WEBSITE, does it say that blacks are being ethnically cleansed? POST IT here, with the source, and we might believe you. Otherwise, you have no leg to stand on and will NEVER have ANY HOPE of convincing us of that your claims have any merit.
Sierradaddy said this in post #16 : What the hell? Malcolm, WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOUR INFORMATION FROM?? Is it coming from the OFFICIAL CHEROKEE WEBSITE, or from some other source? I mean, this is getting to be RIDICULOUS. It's almost as if there's a blanket over your eyes making you see things that just aren't there... Where, on the OFFICIAL CHEROKEE WEBSITE, does it say that blacks are being ethnically cleansed? POST IT here, with the source, and we might believe you. Otherwise, you have no leg to stand on and will NEVER have ANY HOPE of convincing us of that your claims have any merit.
Are you thinking for yourself? Do you think the person doing the crime will admit their actions? You continue to PARROT lodgbo's disagreement with word 'Cleanse', without defining word by yourself.
I think your confusing the method with result. The result is the definition. Killing is just one of many methods that can be used to get result.
Are you thinking for yourself? Do you think the person doing the crime will admit their actions? You continue to PARROT lodgbo's disagreement with word 'Cleanse', without defining word by yourself.
I think your confusing the method with result. The result is the definition. Killing is just one of many methods that can be used to get result.
This begs the question malcolm, the one you haven't answered, Where are you getting your information from?
Just to make this perfectly clear to you I want to know what internet site, newpaper, what media outlet this story has come from, I dont want you twisting my words so that you can back up your statement without answering the question, I dont want you reading one part of my post and refusing to answer that question.
What I want is, put plan and simply, an offical source, can be from anywhere so long as it official, that shows where this story came from, where you heard it, saw it, read it whatever, I just want to know where the story has come from.
I would prefer to see the whole article, the whole story, and read or watch and un-editied version so I can decide for myself whether or not I agree or disagree with your statement.
Without seeing this whole story I am unlikely to have any opinion on it. I would like to know all the facts before comment.
I dont like to repeat myself but you never seem to answer questions malcolm.
"there's only one way to win a war: shout, shout, and shout again!" - The Duke of Wellington ((Blackadder - Stephen Fry))
Are you thinking for yourself? Do you think the person doing the crime will admit their actions? You continue to PARROT lodgbo's disagreement with word 'Cleanse', without defining word by yourself.
I think your confusing the method with result. The result is the definition. Killing is just one of many methods that can be used to get result.
Yeah, I'm thinking that I'M the one who started a discussion thread accusing the Cherokees of ethnically cleansing blacks from their tribe, without giving any kind of real evidence that the CHEROKEES clearly are attempting to do so. Yeah, I'm a parrot. Geez, you're dense sometimes...
There's no mistaking what "ethnically cleanse" means. There is no disagreement as to the meaning, or that there are many ways to go about ethnic cleansing. The disagreement is whether the TERM APPLIES to this situation. WHERE IS YOUR SUPPORTING EVIDENCE that it does? If not from the official Cherokee website, then at least by some RESPECTABLE and VERIFIABLE source. Where the hell is Al Sharpton on this? What, too busy pounding on Imus since Wednesday? Where's the PUBLIC OUTCRY regarding how the Cherokees are being racially discriminating by denying "black indians" their right to their Cherokee inheritance and status? Btw, just to clarify, YOU don't make up a public outcry by yourself.
Stop thinking me a fool. I AM NOT NOW, NOR HAVE I EVER IN MY TIME ON THIS FORUM, BEEN ANYBODY'S PARROT. Try to use some higher reasoning. I FULLY understood what you were trying to say. I KNEW you weren't referring to killing. Geez, take a look at my previous posts... I've been following along with this pointless conversation from the time you started it. I was asking you to show us where you came up with the idea that changing the official definition of Cherokee inheritance is the equivalent to intenionally removing all blacks, or even a majority of blacks, from the tribe. So, now that I've clarified what I was saying, can you PLEASE provide evidence that this is an attempt to wipe out blacks from the Cherokee tribe? If not, I'm gonna close this thread. I'm getting fed up with unsupported propoganda. That's not what this website is for.
This begs the question malcolm, the one you haven't answered, Where are you getting your information from?
Just to make this perfectly clear to you I want to know what internet site, newpaper, what media outlet this story has come from, I dont want you twisting my words so that you can back up your statement without answering the question, I dont want you reading one part of my post and refusing to answer that question.
What I want is, put plan and simply, an offical source, can be from anywhere so long as it official, that shows where this story came from, where you heard it, saw it, read it whatever, I just want to know where the story has come from.
I would prefer to see the whole article, the whole story, and read or watch and un-editied version so I can decide for myself whether or not I agree or disagree with your statement.
Without seeing this whole story I am unlikely to have any opinion on it. I would like to know all the facts before comment.
I dont like to repeat myself but you never seem to answer questions malcolm.
Do you follow the demands you say I must follow? Your source for your thread on Somalia was given on another thread (Named Corporations ...#58).
Did anyone demand the source of article? question your integrity? threaten to shut article down? imply you to be a hypocrite?...
But here is one of many links that should satisfy your demand.
Yeah, I'm thinking that I'M the one who started a discussion thread accusing the Cherokees of ethnically cleansing blacks from their tribe, without giving any kind of real evidence that the CHEROKEES clearly are attempting to do so. Yeah, I'm a parrot. Geez, you're dense sometimes...
There's no mistaking what "ethnically cleanse" means. There is no disagreement as to the meaning, or that there are many ways to go about ethnic cleansing. The disagreement is whether the TERM APPLIES to this situation. http://www.inreview.com/newreply.ph...d=688&postcount[689929]=19WHERE IS YOUR SUPPORTING EVIDENCE that it does? If not from the official Cherokee website, then at least by some RESPECTABLE and VERIFIABLE source. Where the hell is Al Sharpton on this? What, too busy pounding on Imus since Wednesday? Where's the PUBLIC OUTCRY regarding how the Cherokees are being racially discriminating by denying "black indians" their right to their Cherokee inheritance and status? Btw, just to clarify, YOU don't make up a public outcry by yourself.
Stop thinking me a fool. I AM NOT NOW, NOR HAVE I EVER IN MY TIME ON THIS FORUM, BEEN ANYBODY'S PARROT. Try to use some higher reasoning. I FULLY understood what you were trying to say. I KNEW you weren't referring to killing. Geez, take a look at my previous posts... I've been following along with this pointless conversation from the time you started it. I was asking you to show us where you came up with the idea that changing the official definition of Cherokee inheritance is the equivalent to intenionally removing all blacks, or even a majority of blacks, from the tribe. So, now that I've clarified what I was saying, can you PLEASE provide evidence that this is an attempt to wipe out blacks from the Cherokee tribe? If not, I'm gonna close this thread. I'm getting fed up with unsupported propoganda. That's not what this website is for.
First, I never used phrase " wipe out Blacks from Cherokee". That is your spin of what Cherokees are doing . That is somethong lawyers do to influence jurors.
Closing a thread will not change actions Cherokees have done. If your only source is website of the Cherokees, those who are doing 'cleanse', then you (lodgebo) will stay confused and continue to fight those who are trying to reveal the TRUTH. And practicing law is really about doing research, not accepting a website as evidence for the TRUTH.
The thread is on Chreokee vote, not a word of article you and lodgebo have promblem with. What about the subject of thread? Because Al is not in it, doesn,t make story less important. Like you say, he is dealing with the latest racists mf.
First, I never used phrase " wipe out Blacks from Cherokee". That is your spin of what Cherokees are doing . That is somethong lawyers do to influence jurors.
Closing a thread will not change actions Cherokees have done. If your only source is website of the Cherokees, those who are doing 'cleanse', then you (lodgebo) will stay confused and continue to fight those who are trying to reveal the TRUTH. And practicing law is really about doing research, not accepting a website as evidence for the TRUTH.
The thread is on Chreokee vote, not a word of article you and lodgebo have promblem with. What about the subject of thread? Because Al is not in it, doesn,t make story less important. Like you say, he is dealing with the latest racists mf.
Alright, a couple things...
You say that IF my only source is the Cherokee website, then I'll (lodgebo... WTF? I'm SIERRADADDY. If you're replying to me don't call me by someone else's name.) remain confused. Also, something about practising law is about research... Fair enough, practising law IS about getting as much information as possible. But I'm not practising law, am I? In fact, if this is the argument that YOU brought here to discuss, then I might have been best characterized as a jury member. I suppose lodgebo might be called the defense attorney here, and you obviously would be the prosecutor, or at the very least a witness for the prosecution. Here's the thing, Malcolm: WHAT MAKES YOU CREDIBLE? As either the prosecution, OR as a witness for the prosecution? At the very least, lodgebo has posted sound evidence that SUPPORTS his position. Time and time again you've been asked to PRODUCE EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS YOUR POSITION, and you choose NOT to produce it. That's BAD LAWYERING. If we're the jury, we're gonna think that you are an unprepared sap of a lawyer who can't even tie his shoes.
It isn't my job to go out and research. That's YOUR job as the creator of this thread and the one trying to make a point.
Now, in your response to me or to anyone else who has posted before you, if you do not provide evidence CLEARLY SUPPORTING YOUR POSITION on this topic, then I have no choice but to believe that you have none, and that this topic has no need for continuing. If that becomes my belief, I will close this thread. No stalling, no excuses, no passing the buck, no whining about not being heard or about the subject being changed or any other redirection method you have used in the past. Post a proper link, name a known and verifiable author, copy and paste an excerpt from an article, or type it out if it's only available in hard copy, but get it on here AND GET IT RIGHT. If the link leads nowhere, I'm closing this thread. If the author can't be found through relatively simple means, I'm closing this thread. If you put up another post and have no source for us to review here, I'm closing this thread.
I think I've made myself as clear as I possibly can. I'm sure everyone who reads this will see that I'm telling you to provide some information, or I'm closing this thread for lack of support. As well, seeing as how this thread can be construed as slanderous against the Cherokees, I will also have the authority to issue warning points against you. So please do us all a favour and just provide some evidence supporting your claim. If you have a case, present it, and don't just give us hearsay.
Ahh, there it is.... I missed this when preparing my previous post. Good, at least now we have a source reference from Malcolm. That's more like it. Continue the debate.
04-08-2007 01:58 PM
