oneofpeace said this in post #15 : Legalize weed? I think the idea is asinine. Let’s just legalize drugs period why don’t we? After all, people are always going to do it right? In fact, why stop there?
Why stop there - good idea, legalise all drugs. Why create unessary problems such as criminalising people who's only crime is getting out of their heads. What business is it of mine?
Prohibition doesn't work and makes criminals rich and criminals out of innoncent kids.
I here US prisons are stuffed with kids who've smoke dope. What a sad waste of a lot of people's lives.
Why stop there - good idea, legalise all drugs. Why create unessary problems such as criminalising people who's only crime is getting out of their heads. What business is it of mine?
Prohibition doesn't work and makes criminals rich and criminals out of innoncent kids.
I here US prisons are stuffed with kids who've smoke dope. What a sad waste of a lot of people's lives.
So where do we ever draw the line? I mean do we just surrender to everything simply because people will always do it?
Smoking pot serves no purpose. As Heck has pointed out, we have more boozers now. Why do you think that has happened? To simply surrender to using drugs because people will always do it is ridiculous and opens the door for more abuse the human body. Because people are nihilistic doesn't mean our laws should be rewritten to fit their "mindless" agendas.
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oneofpeace said this in post #18 :
So where do we ever draw the line? I mean do we just surrender to everything simply because people will always do it?
The line we've drawn on drugs does more harm than good.
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Smoking pot serves no purpose.
Most of human behaviour serves no usefull purpose. Doing stuff that serves no useful purpose shoudn't mean getting thown in jail.
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As Heck has pointed out, we have more boozers now. Why do you think that has happened?
And right now taking drugs is a crime, and people go to prison if caught, so how is the law helping?
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To simply surrender to using drugs because people will always do it is ridiculous and opens the door for more abuse the human body.
Like I said, it's no business of mine if someone wants to get stoned, and I don't want to see them criminalsed and their life ruined because the laws stupid.
The majority of people grow out of taking drugs, but for those that don't, I don't want to get robbed or burgled by them.
It's a health issue not a criminal issue.
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Because people are nihilistic doesn't mean our laws should be rewritten to fit their "mindless" agendas.
That's harsh. One person's mindless agenda is another person's good time. I thought American was a free country? If people have a nihilistic outlook then that's up to them. Art, music, literture, and philosophy are littered with nihilists who've produced some of the greatest things in history. Wasn't Byron an opium addict?
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The line we've drawn on drugs does more harm than good.
That’s ridiculous. Anytime you have anything considered illegal, you will always have a criminal element cashing in on it, ie Prohibition, prostitution, drugs. Because you do doesn’t mean the answer is always to surrender to it.
Making drugs legal will undoubtedly lead to more people using it and advance the social ills of our societies. A good example is the end of Prohibition. Alcoholism has risen dramatically since.
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Most of human behaviour serves no usefull purpose. Doing stuff that serves no useful purpose shoudn't mean getting thown in jail.
Then why not just throw the entire rule book away? Why have laws in the first place? This statement you’ve made shows exactly why sometimes people need to be protected from themselves.
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And right now taking drugs is a crime, and people go to prison if caught, so how is the law helping?
People go to jail every day for many different reasons. Not paying parking tickets, not paying child support, contempt of court. So how is it helping sending them to jail for these things? Or should we just legalize these things as well because after all, people will always do it, right?
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it's no business of mine if someone wants to get stoned, and I don't want to see them criminalsed and their life ruined because the laws stupid. ….
….I don't want to get robbed or burgled by them. It's a health issue not a criminal issue.
You think that legalizing drugs will prevent someone from breaking into your home? Maybe with weed but not with other addicting drugs. People will do anything to get a fix legal or not.
Secondly, because you believe laws the prevent people from harming themselves are stupid, doesn’t make it so. What’s stupid is allowing people access to such a thing because “it’s none of our business”.
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One person's mindless agenda is another person's good time…..
If people have a nihilistic outlook then that's up to them….
Wasn't Byron an opium addict?
First, like I said before, some people need protection against their own stupid judgement. Secondly, I never said it was a crime to be nihilistic. However, it doesn’t mean society has to conform to it because people want to be.
Lastly, some of the greatest minds in history were criminals. One characteristic doesn’t necessarily obliterate the other. Still, we have many social ills in our societies because some people believe self destructive behavior is their God given right. People who believe that we should conform to those idealisms because “people will always do so” is a step backwards in progressive intelligence.
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I had a look at some intresting figures in the Netherlands where weed is legal.
lifetime prevelance of weed in Holland is 17% whereas in the USA where it is illegal the figure shoots up to 36.9%.
Lifetime prevelance of Heroin use is 0.4% in Holland and 1.4% in the US.
Drug releated deaths in Holland are the lowest in Europe
The number of HIV victims ( through drugs) is the lowest in Europe
Cocaine use in Holland is lower than America
Noa althiugh the figures ai Used go back a little consider this. Drug use figures in Holland have remained static for many years wheras figures for the US and other part of Europe see a rise.
oneofpeace said this in post #20 :
Then why not just throw the entire rule book away? Why have laws in the first place? This statement you’ve made shows exactly why sometimes people need to be protected from themselves.
I want laws that make sense and serve some useful purpose. I don't want laws that criminalise people and ruin their lives because they smoked some dope or are unlucky enough to become addicted to harder drugs.
Was it the law that protected you from yourself?
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People go to jail every day for many different reasons. Not paying parking tickets, not paying child support, contempt of court.
All, unlike taking a drug, involve some consequence to someone else.
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So how is it helping sending them to jail for these things? Or should we just legalize these things as well because after all, people will always do it, right?
How is it helping anyone sending a dope smoker to jail, or a heroin addict?
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You think that legalizing drugs will prevent someone from breaking into your home?
In cities in Britain where they have tested prescribing heroin to addicts, crime such as burglary and muggings fell enormously. So yes because of the present law I am more likely to be robbed. The drug laws means everyone is a loser.
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In the 70's the British were not content with minimizing the harm of drug abuse. They adopted the American policy of trying to stamp it out all together. Prescription drugs were no longer widely available. Addicts who couldn't kick the habit had to find illegal sources. The results: By the end of the 80's drug addiction in Britain had tripled.
...Within the area of the clinic [where heroin was prescribed] Alan Perry says, the police have reported a significant drop in drug related crime and since addicts don't have to deal anymore to support their habit, they're not recruiting new customers. So, far fewer new people are being turned on to drugs.
Maybe with weed but not with other addicting drugs. People will do anything to get a fix legal or not.
Exactly the point I'm trying to make. The law is not going to stop an addict getting the money to buy drugs. Prostitution and crime are a by-product of the drug laws.
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Secondly, because you believe laws the prevent people from harming themselves are stupid, doesn’t make it so. What’s stupid is allowing people access to such a thing because “it’s none of our business”.
The law does not stop people taking drugs or having access to drugs. The law means kids are taking drugs cut with all kinds of nasty stuff because those drugs are so profitable and sold by criminals. The law doesn't protect people, it harms their health, throws them in jail, and lables them criminals their entire life.
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First, like I said before, some people need protection against their own stupid judgement.
What a patronising attitude, and wrong. The law does not protect people. It harms people, on top of the harm drugs are doing.
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Still, we have many social ills in our societies because some people believe self destructive behavior is their God given right.
It is the law that is destructive, and destroying lives. Both the drug taker who is criminalised, and the people that they commit the crimes against to fund their habit.
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People who believe that we should conform to those idealisms because “people will always do so” is a step backwards in progressive intelligence.
The "war on drugs" is a huge failure. It isn't good enough to keep pretending the policy is ever going to work, and look for something that helps in the real world, rather than trying to create some fantasy world where everyone drinks tea and is a happy shiny person.
I have been smoking for about 10 years now, and in 10 years I and many my friends have never wronged anyone under the influence of marijuana. I have however seen model citizens get drunk and commit ridiculous crimes. I have never heard of someone ODing on pot, so to say that the law protects people from themselves is ridiculous. Who is the law really for?
I believe that if it were legal crime would go down, who would need to steal for it if it were cheap and easy to acquire, not to mention our govt could tax it and use the money to help our country in areas we need help in.
02-02-2007 07:13 PM
