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Thought I might start a thread on Paul Le Guen the Rangers manager. As you may know he was not the greatest player in the world but went onto become a highly respected manager in France firstly with Renne and then of course with the Lyon revolution then he took a a year out and in a shcok descion he decided that he would start the 2006 / 07 season with Rangers in Scotland. Howevre it is becoming increasingly more likley that he has started but probabaly won't finish. When Rangers tried to lure him to Ibrox the reports were that he was going to Madrid, Villareal, Germany, France national coach or probabaly the Premiership as Alex Fergusons succesor in a few years from now. All I can say is that on current showing did these clubs get out of jail big time.
PLG has been a disaster for Rangers he plays formations that work fairly well in Europe but get you killed in Britain he goes for technical players ( apparently) but there is no fight only Barry Fergsuon, Kris Boyd, Steven Smith, Phil Bardlsey and Lee Martin show the fight and desire and of that group only Smith and Ferguson have played all legaue games and Bardsley and Martin are on loan.
His signings are disasters and he has actually got a worse signing policy than Alex Mcleish. Svensson a defender that can't head the ball, Sebo a striker he chased like he was after the next Etoo but who is a 5th choice striker, Papac never a defender in a million yeras, Sionko the least said about him the better and Letizi the keeper what can I say about him, well lets just say that I think Masimo Taibi changed his name and nationality after he left manU and is now playing in Glasgow under the name of Lionel Letizi.
His selctions are baffleing Allan McGregor a great golakeeper comes in because Letizi is injured, plays out of his skin wins the palyer of the moth award and there is talk of a place in the Scotland squad what happens Letizi is fit agin and McGregor is dropped, Letizi then costs us the game at home to Inverness yet keeps his place until he got injured again. Then Kris Boyd who created history last season by being the top scorer for 2 clubs in one season he has only played 4 times under Le Guen and yet Le Guen has the audacity to say that he thinks the club is not scoring enough hardly surprisng Paul when you leave the next Ally McCoist on the bench. he plays Buffel in a striking roll and the guy could not score in a red light district.
And then there are the results beaten by Celtic, drawn at home with Dudee Utd and Motherwell, lost at home to Inverness, drawn away to Dunfermline and Kilmarnock lost away to Dundde Utd, Hibs and the fianl humiliation getting beat 2 - 0 by St Johnstone at home the first time Rangers have lot to a lower league club at home in the cup.

So the league is over we ar 15 points behind Celtic, we are out of the League cup, we are closer to the bottom thna the top we are in diasarry at the back cant' score have manager whos only explanation is as follows " I am the manager and that is not good enough", I could not agree more with him. If things have not improved by the New Year PLG might have to stand for please leave Govan


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I don't know much about this new Rangers Manager but I got a look at the SPL table and I have to say that Rangers are so far behind that it would be an amazing feet if they managed to beat Celtic to the Title.

I get the feeling that Rangers fans wont stand for too many poor results. If things dont improve then this Paul Le Guen will be sacked.

I would suggest Alan Curbishley as a suitable replacement, being the biggest name English manager available.


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Well we beta Dunfermline today at Ibrox but that will not stop the calls for his head because we should be beating teams like Dunfermline, it will matter when we play Hearts and Hibs and of course Celtic and as it stands Le Guen has beat Hearts, lost to Celtic and Hibs played us off the park.

I am all form giving Le Guen until the new year to turn things around and I think most fans are of the mind except one and that is the one that matters Rangers Chariman David Murray who yesterday said Le Guen will not be sacked. That is the problem with David Murray he has done great things for the clube but he is as stubborn as they come.

As for Curbishley well he was on the shortlist the last time and the fans probably had him as thier number 1 choice. However I belive he wanted some time out of the game and the club respected his wishes and did not follow up thier intrest.,


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Rangers won again today, the first time we have one back to back league games under Le Guen, although the 1- 0 win over Hearts was vital in deciding who gets the 2nd champions league spot it was without a doubt an awful performance the most passes we completed passes we made was 15 in 90 minutes, Nacho Novo scored but his shot was deflected and we are talking about beating a Hearts team that is in more turmoil than us. Next we plau Auxerre in France and to be honest it doe not worry me because our best games have been in Europe we have beaten Palermo ( Top of serie A) and Maccabi Haifia who ran Liverpool close but we played them off the park.

On a side not must say that although ther are our rivals for 2nd I take no happiness or joy from seeing Hearts being torn apart from the inside, it shoule be a sad thing for any football fan to see.


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Well the short lived Ranger revivial ended today. A 1 - 0 defeat to Falkirk who started the league in 11th pace ( 12 teams in the league) an absolute farcical performance from this shamk of a team and they should be ashamed to wear the jersey former Rangers manager Walter Smith was a pundit and I could only imagine what he was thinking about the way that David Murray and Paul Le Guen are killing the club he loves and are to stubborn to admit that they are doing more harm than good.
To give you an example of how poor this team is, the last time Falkirk beat Rangers in the league Andy Roxburgh got a double and Alex Ferguson was playing up front.


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Before this weekend Falkirk last beat Rangers in the league a long long long long long time ago then.

As I said the Rangers board need to sack him because he obviously has no idea what he is doing.

Is it like Alain Perrin's time at Pompey where Paul Le Guen is doing alright as a coach but doesn't understand British football so he trys to play a continental style but get ripped apart on the counter attack?


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He should go but he won't. David Murray ( who is as much to blame as Le Guen) has an unusual record as Rangers Chairman in that he has nevere fired a manager, and I think he would like to keep it that way. Secondly Rangers are I admit playing some great football in the UEFA cup and have qaulified with a game to spare they will win the group and that group has Auxerre, Livorno and Maccabi Haifia in it. David Murray has an obsession with Rangers winning a European trophy and he probably sees Le Guen as the best chance of doing that.

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Well Le Guen keeps up ther tradition of blowing hot and cold. After being humilated by Falkirk we beat Hibs 3 - 0. A Hibs team that has been unbeaten under John Collins and were expected in some quarters to win. We play Celtic next week so god only know what Rangers team will turn up.

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Sunday is make or break for Le Guen IMO. As well as he has done in Europe he has to either beat Celtic tomorrow or give one hell of a performance, le Guen has had to many false starts during his time at Rangers and I doubt the fans will stand for another one.

Come luchtime tomorrow Rangers will be facingone of two possibilities either:

19 points behinf Celtic, out of the league cup and anf third in the league behind Abverdeen on gaol diffrence with the UEFA cup the only trophy they can realiticly win or

Inflicting only Celtics second defaet of the season while asking questions about them and spreading confidnce in the team while gaining a 3 point lead over Aberdeen for the second champions league spot.

If it's not the second option I don't what Le Guens future will be.


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I have just looked at the Rangers section on Skysports.com and I have to say that this is getting riduclas.

Rangers should be destroying teams like Inverness Cally Thistle not losing to them. As much as I like Inverness CT it is plainly obvious that Ranger are a much large force in Scotland and should sweep Inverness CT aside with ease.

Instead the Lost to Inverness CT.

This SPL season Rangers have lost to Hearts, Falkirk, Hibs, Celtic, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd, Dunfermline, Kilmarnock and Inverness CT.

You expect Ranger to beats Falkirk, Dundee Utd, Dunfermline, Kilmarnock and Inverness CT yet they lost to each of these teams.

If they fail to beat St Mirren today then, if I were Rangers Chairman, I would sack Paul Le Guen and replace him with someone who knows Rangers, knows what they need, can get the current players to perform at their best and can bring in players to get them where they should be.


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The weird thing is that Le Guen has this morning told the Scottish press that he can't get the team fired up for games to me that is an admission that he can't do his job. The Inverness game was a farce from start to finish not only were we beaten we were outplayed and had it not been for our goalie Allan McGregor it would have been 5- 1 to Inverness.
Also his signing policy is a joke Steven Pressley who was released by Hearts ( The club in the biggest crisis in Europe) was not good enough for Rangers and apparently accroding to Le Guen there are no good players about in January so he won't buy any, but there has to better that the rubbish he plays every week.
If he was to lose today then it should be then but I doubt it David Murray wants to keep his record of never firing a manager, I say bring back Walter Smith he is out of contract soon and belive me he would get players fired up ideally bring in Richard Gough as his no.2


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Well another disaster a 1 -1 draw with St Mirren whor bottom of the league for goodness sake, I was at the game and there was no passion and we were just generally poor in all departments and when we went down 1 -0 I feared we were going to get beat, Rangers play on Tuesday and that absolutly must be Le Guens last chance he has lost the fans and I suspect he is beggining to lose the Scottish players at the club.

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I think that, given the manager current record and Murrays position of not wanting to fire him, Le Guen may be forced to quit.

Rangers board and fans should not stand, and indeed will not stand, for this failure to perform in the league.

I draw parralells to Liverpool. Liverpool could win every Cup from the League Cup to the Champions League and finish 7th in the League every season. The fans would be calling for the managers head simply because the would not be challenging for the Premier League Trophy.

It doesn't matter how well you do in the cups you will alway be rated on your league performance.


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Le Guen has made himself even more of villian to the Rangers fans for dropping Barry Ferguson and stipping hi of the captaincy.

He was booed and jeered by the fans when the Rangers team arrived at Motherwell ahead of their game.


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The whole thing has become an absolute farce and the fans let Le Guen know exactly what they thought of his decsion as they chanted Fergusons name before, during and after the match.
As for the m,atch itself well Rangers won 1 - 0 through a Boyd penalty but the performance was awful again, Gavin Rae who replaced Fergsuon in position and as captain was posted missing for much of the game and it was up to Allan Mc Gregor to pull off 3 fine saves to keep us in the game ( are you watching Walter Smith).
Anyway the whole situtaion has gone downhill fast and the arguement between Ferguson and Le Guen seem to prove wht most peopl though and that is that there are serious rifts in the Rangers dressing room, it has been mentioned but never proved that ther is a sort of Scottish players vs Le Guen and foreign players battle being played out, it was one of these battles that led to the incompoytent Leitizi being dropped from the Rangers goal for McGregor. Le Guen made an rather telling comment tonight he said that Fergusons future is dependent on his future so I assume he beleives that one them has to go and I know who the fans would pick. I aslo think that David Murray needs to get on his private jet and get to Glasgow to sort out this mess. KLe Guen will no doubt claim the win justifies dropping Ferguson but Motherwell are not Celtic or Hearts or Aberdeen or Hibs and they are not Haifia, we play all these teams in the next few months and need wins in all of them to try and secure second place I don't think it's possible without Ferguson and somebody should tell Le Guen what happend the last time we sold Ferguson to Blackburn we collapsed and we had to buy him back less than a year later.


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Paul Le Guen has left Rangers by mutual consent.

This basically mean that he was forced to walk so that Sir David Murray didn't have to fire him.

After the events surrounding Barry Ferguson and the fans reaction to Paul Le Geun at Motherwell he really had to go.

I cheered when I saw this on Skysports news.


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I am glad he has gone, it had to happen as it has all gone horribly wrong. I think the straw that broke the camels back was that this morning there were reports stating that Kris Boyd was going to go the way of Ferguson.
It would appear that Yves Colleau Le Guens assistant has also left as Rangers are saying that Iain Durrant a Rangers legend will be in temporary charge so I can gurantee that we will at least have a fighting team on Saturday and hopefully a team that has Ferguson back in.
I just wonder if Ferguson made Murray pick between him and Le Guen because on Tuesady he said he would never play for Rangers under Le Guen on Wednesday he meets David Murray and goes back to training and on Thursday Le Guen walks.
Anyway I don't know who the future manger will be I would like Walter Smith but I would rather he stayed with Scotland but maybe George Burley or if we are trying to punch above our weight again maybe Ottomer Hitzfeld it will be a challenge as all of the good managers are tied up on long term deals whoevere it is I would imagine Murray will try and get him in before the transfer window closes.
I also will predict that before the end of January Le Guen will be managing PSG.


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Ok as time goes on we will probably hear more and more but this is the situtaion as it stands.
Le Guens reign is officlay the shortest in the clubs history.

Le Guen has balmed Barry Ferguson for being a disruotive influence. I can't belive that mainly because Ferguson has worked under Walter Smith, Dick Advocaat, Mark Hughes and Alex Mcleish and none of those managers ever accused him of being disruptive in fact they have all commeted on hias proffesionalism.

Billy Davies, Terry Butcher, George Burley, Graeme Souness, Ally McCoist and Walter Smith are all in the running to be the next boss of the club though if you are long odds betting man you can have the managemnt duo of Paul Gascoigne and Brian Laudrup at 500-1 and Martin O'Neil at about 1000000 to 1
Personally I don't want Souness back his carrer has been in freefall since Liverpool.

Apparently within the next 14 days Walter Smith will come back as a tem manager and use his time to teach Ally McCoist the ropes there is talk of a McCoist manger Richard Gough assistan manager team next season with Smith as director of football, though what this means for the Scotland team has not yet been mentioned.

Tomorrow Andy Webster will arrive on loan from Wigan ( with a view to something more permanent) and Scott Brown and Kevin Thomson should arive within the next 2 weeks.

Lionel Leitizi will be the first of Le Guens flops to go followed by Sebo.


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I dont know about Scott Brown and Kevin Thomson going to Rangers because both Charltona and Pompey are chasing them so they might decide to go to the Premiership in stead.

I think that te most likely managers available to Rangers are Billy Davies and Greame Souness. Out of the two the better one would be Billy Davies.

You could always try to temp Kenny Dalglish out of retirement.


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Brown and Thompson were on the news yeasterday and they have said that at this stage in thier careers they would be pleased to go to Ibrox I think also Murray will offer ?5 million for thw two players,. Hibs wat ?6 million for the pair but nobody is offering anywhere near that. Anyway we will have to wait and see as every day they are going somewhere else. Intrestingly Brown and Thomson were happy at Hibs until they got a new agent his is Pompeys good friend Willie McKay.

I would be happy with McCoist and Smith and that seems that it will happen in the next few days while I will be sad to see Smith leave the Scotland job the SFA have nobody to balme but themelsves they have been told numerous times to get Smith and McCoist on long term deals with high compnesation clauses but they have refused Smiths contact was up in a years time and the SFA refused to talk about contracts saying it was not neccesary.


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I was suprised that Willie McKay was actually Brown and Thomsons agent. I didnt think any Scots liked him. Doesn't he have a terrible reputation in Scotland?

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Well he does now, Brown and Thomson signed contracts in the summer and by November they had appointed McKay as thier agent and he started causing trouble saying he could get them more cash Hibs refused and that is how we got here.

Most clubs don't deal with McKay unless they absolutley have to.

Mind you he has kind of got his comeuppance, "accidently" his phone number has made it on to the official Hibs website and angry fans are bombarding him for causing disruption to the team.


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I think McKay is one of the main opposers to the Lord Stevens Bung enquirery. I believe he was one of the several agents who refuse to cooperate with the enquirery, which leads you to believe he has something to hide.

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Well he has houses all over the world apparently and is currently living it uo in a big mansion in Dubai so he has to be amking some serious mony from somewhere.

Going back to Le Guen I am really getting sick of his accusations and if he is not carefull his parting could from amicable to legal. First there was acusations Barry Ferguson was disruptive and that Murray sold him down the river over the Ferguson issue, the he claims Boyd tried to disrupt the harmony by backing Ferguson and now he claims that the reason he failed was that the Scottish players drank to much and came in for training hungover all the time.


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No offense intended when I say this but the typical image of a Scotsman in England is of someone who drinks alot of alcohol. However I doubt that any body of Barry Ferguson level of ability and professionalism would drink some much that he coulndn't turn up for training fully focused.

The main reason Le Guen failed at Rangers was that he was biased against the Scots at the club. Le Guen can only truely blame himself.


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Well it appears that Walter Smith will not be coming to Rangers for now. Smith met SFA executive David ( it's no oor fault) Taylor and asked to be released form his contract, Taylor refused. It leaves the parties with the following options Smith quits and faces the inevitable legal cases that would follow, David Murray makes the SFA an offer they can't refuse for Smith, Smith continues to negotiatie or finds an agent to negotiatie on his behalf, Rangers appoint Ally MCcoist and Stuart McCall and forget about Smith, Rangers appoint an interim manager and wait from Smiths SFA contact to expire at the end of the year or Rangers look elsewhere.

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Paul Le Guen has been appointed the new manager of Paris Saint-Germain.

Also, on a side note, while it may be a good thing for Rangers that Walter Smith is their manager again it is not good for Scotland. Name me one other scottish manager who could have gotten the Nation team to the top of their qualifying group ahead of both France and Italy.

I admit Strachon would do well Scotland manager but he doesn't have the same tactical knowledge as Smith, though he is a better motivater.

McLiesh is not as a good a motivator as Strachon and Smith but is arguable about the same on tactical terms as Smith.

I think Tommy Burns is probably the best bet as the next Scotland manager but I would get McLiesh working in tandem with Burns so that Scotland has a good base to work from as far as the management goes.


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I think that Le Guen was always leaving for France and used certain conditions at Ibrox to make him look like a victim.

As for McLeish for Scotland you are right tactically he is a great manager and I would pair him up with Gary McAllister who would be a fantastic motivator.


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There is an outside chance of Pompey coach Joe Jordan becoming the next Scotland boss. I dont think it will happen, I think Jordan will become a future Pompey boss.

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Personally I would not really want Jordan as he lacks the mangerial experience. Tommy Burns quit his role as assistant manager of Scotland today and ruyled himself out of the managers job so it seems as if it's a 3 horse race between Gary McAllister, Alex McLeish and Jim Jeffries.

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