The intention appears to me to be questioning the legitimacy of Israel's policy in the region, and pointing out the threat Isreal poses to the surrounding nations, and America's and other nations reliance on Israel as a useful way of protecting Western interests in the region.
He mentions the 50s American and British backed coup that overthrew the democratic government of Iran as an example of how Western policy cannot be trusted, which I take to mean that although the West speaks about democracy, what's actually important is who controls the vast resourses of the Gulf, and equally as important: who will decide on how the region is governed - the people who live there or the West.
What do you think are Iran's intentions going by the speech?
It seems to me that Ahmadinejad believes there is ongoing conflict of the Western World versus the Islamic world.
He sees the creation of Israel (which he refers to as 'the Zionist Regime') as an encroachment of the Western World into the Islamic world. He believes that the Western World's long-term goal is to subjugate the Islamic World, and that the only way to stop this is by destroying Israel.
Now, he may or may not intend genocide with theses statements, but it seem pretty obvious that he intends to remove Israel's sovereignity as an independent nation.
Edward Teach said this in post #30 : Al Jezeera reports it the same way so where are YOU getting YOUR information?
He gets it from the BBC and The Guardian. Worse than Al Jazeera.
"America is not what's wrong with the world. The struggle we are in is too important to have the luxury of returning to that old mentality of 'Blame America First.'" —Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld
Leftist "intellectuals" in America now look to Europe—steeped for years in anti-American propaganda from the Soviet Union.
It seems to me that Ahmadinejad believes there is ongoing conflict of the Western World versus the Islamic world.
There is plenty of recent evidence to back up this belief, not least - the attack and invasion of Iraq on the pretext that Iraq was a threat to the world because of its (non-existant) WMDs, and there's the PNAC docs, and the military bases the US is building in Iraq - to name just a few examples.
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He sees the creation of Israel (which he refers to as 'the Zionist Regime') as an encroachment of the Western World into the Islamic world.
Is it an encroachment? Aren't Jews as much a part of the Middle East as Arabs and Persians?
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He believes that the Western World's long-term goal is to subjugate the Islamic World, and that the only way to stop this is by destroying Israel.
The West has subjugated countries in the Middle East since early last century. This interferance in ME politics and careless support for brutal regimes has not doubt played a large part in the hostility and mistrust felt towards the West, which we seem incapable of appreciating (until recently).
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Now, he may or may not intend genocide with theses statements, but it seem pretty obvious that he intends to remove Israel's sovereignity as an independent nation.
If he doesn't control the military then how is he going to do this? And these statements contradict the offers made by Iran to recognise Isreal and the two state solution, which Bush rejects. Truth is Iran can't "remove Israel's sovereignity". Israel is by far the strongest military might in the ME. They could have obliterated and killed every single person in Lebanon, with minimum loss of life to themselves and no-one could stop them.
There is plenty of recent evidence to back up this belief, not least - the attack and invasion of Iraq on the pretext that Iraq was a threat to the world because of its (non-existant) WMDs, and there's the PNAC docs, and the military bases the US is building in Iraq - to name just a few examples.
Is it an encroachment? Aren't Jews as much a part of the Middle East as Arabs and Persians?
you and I may think so, but Mr. Ahmadinejad doesn't.
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The West has subjugated countries in the Middle East since early last century. This interferance in ME politics and careless support for brutal regimes has not doubt played a large part in the hostility and mistrust felt towards the West, which we seem incapable of appreciating (until recently).
So are you agreeing with Ahmadinejad?
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If he doesn't control the military then how is he going to do this? And these statements contradict the offers made by Iran to recognise Isreal and the two state solution, which Bush rejects. Truth is Iran can't "remove Israel's sovereignity". Israel is by far the strongest military might in the ME. They could have obliterated and killed every single person in Lebanon, with minimum loss of life to themselves and no-one could stop them.
I do not think Iran is capable of wiping Israel off the map, but, it seems obvious that Ahmadinejad wishes to do so. He wishes to create nuclear weapons, and he wishes to use them on Israel. He does not believe in the Holocaust ( link ), he does not think that Jews should have a homeland in the Middle East, and he wants Israel to be destroyed.
That is the impression I got from post #6, anyway.
Dekka00 said this in post #35 :
So are you agreeing with Ahmadinejad?
About what? We overthrew the Iranian government. Intreferance doesn't get any more discraceful. We talk about democracy but in the end it's just propoganda, and we lap it up, because we're spoon-fed the idea that we're the good guys. Welll guess what, all governments say that.
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I do not think Iran is capable of wiping Israel off the map, but, it seems obvious that Ahmadinejad wishes to do so. He wishes to create nuclear weapons, and he wishes to use them on Israel. He does not believe in the Holocaust ( link ), he does not think that Jews should have a homeland in the Middle East, and he wants Israel to be destroyed.
This is all wrong. For one thing nuking Israel would kill the Palastinians. He does not disbelieve in the holocaust - read the opening post link. And the last point has been dealt with and it's just very convenient of us to believe he wants to destroy Israel because that gives us the excuse we're after to justify destroying Iran.
h@ts said this in post #36 :
We talk about democracy but in the end it's just propoganda, and we lap it up, because we're spoon-fed the idea that we're the good guys.
The above post aptly showcases the self-loathing mania which is at the core of the pathology that pervades the unhappy mind of the extreme liberal.
"America is not what's wrong with the world. The struggle we are in is too important to have the luxury of returning to that old mentality of 'Blame America First.'" —Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld
Leftist "intellectuals" in America now look to Europe—steeped for years in anti-American propaganda from the Soviet Union.
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Iran: Israel links may hurt Europe
POSTED: 7:03 a.m. EDT, October 20, 2006
TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has warned Europe that it may pay a heavy price for its support of Israel.
"You should believe that this regime (Israel) cannot last and has no more benefit to you. What benefit have you got in supporting this regime, except the hatred of the nations?" he said in nationally broadcast speech Friday.
"We have advised the Europeans that the Americans are far away, but you are the neighbors of the nations in this region," he said.
"We inform you that the nations are like an ocean that is welling up, and if a storm begins, the dimensions will not stay limited to Palestine, and you may get hurt."
Ahmadinejad's comments came on Jerusalem Day -- when Iranians are officially encouraged to show their support for the Palestinians.
These remarks were made a day after Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Iran would "have a price to pay" if it continued down the path of its nuclear ambitions.
Olmert was speaking to reporters Thursday on his way home from a three-day trip to Moscow. Israel, along with the United States and other Western powers, rejects Tehran's claim that its nuclear program is peaceful, designed solely to produce energy.
The Iranian leader has long spoken out against Israel, saying the Jewish nation should be "wiped off the map."
He has not since repeated that phrase but often launches verbal attacks on Israel, whose right to exist Iran has not recognized since the 1979 Islamic revolution.
On Friday, Ahmadinejad said there was no justification for the "Zionist regime" -- a term he often uses when referring to Israel -- arguing that it is on the verge of disintegration.
"Efforts to stabilize this fake regime, by the grace of God, have completely failed," he said.
He also called Israel's leaders a "group of terrorists."
Ahmadinejad has also sparked outrage in the West by describing the Holocaust, in which 6 million Jews were killed by the Nazis, as a "myth."
h@ts said this in post #1 : Did Iranian PM, Ahmadinejad actually say Israel should be "wiped off the map"? Turns out he may not have said it. In fact he may not have said many of the things quoted in Western media outlets.
And what did he mean?
And yet more misquotes, this time he did not say: "'main cure' for crisis in the Middle East is the elimination of Israel"
I'm glad you cleared up this propaganda the [conservative] media created for an Zionistic agenda.
09-03-2006 10:33 PM
