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Do you believe that the U.S. military massacred civilians because they disliked them?

Eventually there will be a conclusion about the Haditha incident by the military investigation under way. Will you accept that conclusion, whatever it is?



I don't know why US soldiers kill innocent women and children but HISTORY gives us an idea.

Unless the investigation is conducted by a independent source, the results from an military investigation cannot be credible. Do believe the military is going to get to source of this massacre and hold those accountable other than the soldiers involved?


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I don't know why US soldiers kill innocent women and children but HISTORY gives us an idea.

Unless the investigation is conducted by a independent source, the results from an military investigation cannot be credible. Do believe the military is going to get to source of this massacre and hold those accountable other than the soldiers involved?


If the military investigation yields an explanation that sounds credible to me, I will accept it. I would also consider explanations given by other investigations. I would doubt explanations given by people who have an obvious ax to grind; people like Murtha.

I do not have a pre-conceived conviction that this was an intentional massacre. I don't know why anybody would unless they had an ax to grind.

There are three possible explanations for what happened at Haditha. It is also possible that two or three of the three possible explanations could be combined in the actual cause.


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If the military investigation yields an explanation that sounds credible to me, I will accept it. I would also consider explanations given by other investigations. I would doubt explanations given by people who have an obvious ax to grind; people like Murtha.

I do not have a pre-conceived conviction that this was an intentional massacre. I don't know why anybody would unless they had an ax to grind.

There are three possible explanations for what happened at Haditha. It is also possible that two or three of the three possible explanations could be combined in the actual cause.


The military investigated itself after MY LAI, where hundreds of innocent were killed. How many were held accountable for masscre? Did you agree?


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The military investigated itself after MY LAI, where hundreds of innocent were killed. How many were held accountable for masscre? Did you agree?


Well they did not cover it up. They did resolve it.


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Do you believe that the U.S. military massacred civilians because they disliked them?


There are bound to be a few soldiers capable of anything. I don't know what it's like to be in a war zone and have to witness men women and children being blown to bits or have to blast someone's brains out but it can't be good for some soldier's psychological well-being. In war and conflict some people are always going to go nuts no matter how civilised you think you're troops should behave. It's a direct consequence of the barbarity of war at the front and will always occur.

That's why war should always be a last resort.


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In war and conflict some people are always going to go nuts no matter how civilised you think you're troops should behave. It's a direct consequence of the barbarity of war at the front and will always occur.



I agree that this sometimes happens for the reason you give. But how do you or malcoim xx know that it happened at Haditha?


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I agree that this sometimes happens for the reason you give. But how do you or malcoim xx know that it happened at Haditha?


US and Iraqi politicians, your conservative media , human right groups and victims of masscre have all agreed the incident happen. Where and Who have been confirmed. How and Why is what military is " investgated".

500 were killed in My Lai Massacre and only 1 was held accoutable? The outcome of this "investigation will not be a surprise.


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I agree that this sometimes happens for the reason you give. But how do you or malcoim xx know that it happened at Haditha?


The Haditha case is being investigated and has become very well known. US troops murdered 24 Iraqi civilians in cold blood, revenge for the death of a US soldier in a roadside bomb not far from the town.

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A Town Awoke to Slaughter

Iraqis say Marines went house to house killing Haditha residents. 'I wish I had died with them,' says a child who saw her family slain.

Survivors say that furious Marines rampaged through a quiet street, bursting into homes and gunning down Iraqi civilians — including children, women and an elderly man in a wheelchair. Their account appears to match details emerging from a military investigation of the deaths of at least 24 Iraqi civilians on the morning of Nov. 19.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...-home-headlines


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The Haditha case is being investigated and has become very well known. US troops murdered 24 Iraqi civilians in cold blood, revenge for the death of a US soldier in a roadside bomb not far from the town.



What is known is that the civilians were killed. The contention that they were murdered has not been proved. The stated motive of revenge has not been proved. Obviously there is a huge motive to misrepresent what happened on the part of all parties involved. Do you see this motive on the part of anybody other than the U.S. military? Why would you believe just one of the many possible explanations? Have you considered other explanations? Do you know of them?


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The Haditha case is being investigated and has become very well known. US troops murdered 24 Iraqi civilians in cold blood, revenge for the death of a US soldier in a roadside bomb not far from the town.



or Newsweek [ june 12 ] " The Haditha Question"


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In November 2005, doctors in Iraq say the US military attacked the hospital at Haditha three times.

" A severe breach of the Geneva Conventions. In one of those attacks, US soldiers used live ammunition inside the hospital. They handcuffed all the doctors and destroyed the entire contents of the medical storage. It ended with one patient killed in bed" he complained.

The Iraqi Red Cresant reported that over 1000 families have been forced to leave homes in Haditha. Where is the outraged? No one seems to care?


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