You're saying that you can't believe that people are opposed to Bush's plan. Well, they oppose it because they don't like elements of the plan, some want a path to citizenship for those who are here now, that is not provide in his guest worker program, and it's amnesty. Moreover, the Senate plan isn't amnesty. Amnesty would be saying, "Welcome everyone and here is your citizenship." The Senate plan has factors that must be met.
Regardless of whether you want to call it amnesty, it is not amnesty. The guest worker program is not amnesty, despite what you say, and that's why people don't agree with Bush. The people aren't "pro-amnesty" (again, you're trying to use your own definitions, like pro-life/anti-life, pro-choice/anti-choice stupidness), they are people that wants illegals here now a way to become full members in American society. It's very simple to understand if you stop trying to define things in your explicit terms so much.
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Inner City Blues said this in post #46 :
You're saying that you can't believe that people are opposed to Bush's plan.
I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT .
Several times I have said that a lot of people disagree with Bush’s handling of immigration, and I have explained why. I think our basic disagreement is that you believe the Bush immigration opponents are the illegal aliens, while I believe they are the U.S. citizens who oppose amnesty or relaxing immigration rules and border enforcement.
You seem to be trying to make a case that the demonstrators are the ones who oppose Bush because his plan is technically not amnesty and does not fulfill their perfect world-view of instant amnesty with no immigration restriction whatsoever. I think that is where you are wrong. It would be foolish for the demonstrators to adopt that position, since after all, Bush is the most powerful individual player, and his position is far closer to theirs than the basic opposing position of those who want no amnesty, strict border enforcement, and deportation of illegal aliens.
Of course I would not discount the fact that the demonstrators are being represented by advocates who are so blinded by their hatred of Bush that they fail to recognize that he is on their side. This would certainly explain why demonstrators would oppose Bush’s handling of immigration if any do.
You can split hairs about using terms like anti-amnesty or whether the bill is not amnesty or merely amnesty disguised as non-amnesty. My only point is this. If you boil this down to two opposing positions, the position of Bush is a lot closer to the position of the demonstrators than is the position of the majority of Americans. Therefore, it makes no sense that the demonstrators or their allies would oppose Bush.
I do believe that people have the right to live anywhere they so please. But there has to be rules set in place. You cannot just come to America and start changing things, our children having to learn spanish, spanish televison and what not. I mean if they want to embrace their culture so bad then stay in Mexico. Don't make the U.S like from where you've come. You must assimilate to make it here, not the opposite.
If I were to move to France i cannot expect the French gov't or any gov't to accomdate me so that I do not have to live my life as they do. To me they are coming here making demands. They want us to change our laws for them. It doesn't work that way. If you don't like the way we do things than you can leave. Especially if you are illegal. Illegal is illegal. And i'm here to tell you, as a Texan, it's looking like little Mexico down here. If Mexico is so grand that you have to bring it with you why not stay. You can't have Mexico and our U.S of A. It doesn't work that way. And the law need to be changed on just because you're born on US soil you are a US citizen. Only in America does that law apply. It's crazy.
But if you come to this country legally and do all that is asked of you to become a citizen well WELCOME to you. But those demanding we change our ways it just too much. You are now in OUR country. Our rules.
04-30-2006 06:28 AM
