As for this execution, forget Afghan's sovereignity. Considering what we have done over the last few years, getting this man to safety if those in power do decide to execute him is a small detail.
If they do execute him before we can get him to safety, is that a small detail?
Yes the Bush administration is in pickle here. They clear the way for freedom, and part of freedom is freedom of religion. So a religion is freely chosen. The problem is that the religion chosen happens to be a religion that does not tolerate freedom.
lickety_split said this in post #9 : This is an extremist ruling by the Clerics in Afghanistan and not supported by most Muslims worldwide.
Just my thoughts.
Well if that is true, would it be considered interfering with Islam to stop those Clerics? Or does Islam include the right to proclaim that it is about peace and justice while also allowing a few loose cannons who can make up their own rules?
Coincidentally, I posted a question about this topic this morning in Post 9/11 > Muslims Killing Christians. I asked whether a death sentence for converting out of Islam was an official part of the Islamic doctrine. Of course the question is just to establish the foundation of a greater observation, but I did not want to be accused of stereotyping Islam if this death sentence was just the work of a lunatic fringe.
I will go ahead and assume that the death sentence for conversion is Islamic law, since that is what was stated in the news I heard. Please correct me if I am wrong.
As far as ICB's advice to flip off the clerics, that seems like a rather insufficient weapon for this dispute. I would be a little cautious about giving the finger among people who cut your head off for what you believe.
Yet Muslims in America aren't executed for converting from Islam? Hmm...
I guess you see what you want to see, pick the elements you don't like and apply that to the whole. There are over 1 billion Muslims, but radicals in Islam speak for Islam. Interesting.
And when I say flip them off, they have the ability to prevent this execution so they can stop it, they don't have to let it go through.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
- Bill Cosby
The guy who takes a chance, who walks the line between the known and unknown, who is unafraid of failure, will succeed.
- Gordon Parks
It's hardly simple or liberal. I would support government policy that didn't support dictators and bad regimes but for the right reason, not lies and BS. I would even support intervention if I actually believed the reasons why we were intervening.
No, If we're going to go on foreign adventures, the public and the soldiers who have to fight deserve to be told the truth and those leaders who make such decisions need to have wisdom not naivety and they need to be in touch with what's going on in the world. Here's a clue - Bush thought he had the no-how to run wars in one of the most volatile regions of the world but didn't even know the name of the dictator running Pakistan. It's an arrogance and stupidity guaranteed to make the world a more dangerous place.
Actually, Bush just pushed the button. The plan was in place for years before he was elected so, the military action, plan and it's effectiveness lies on the DoD.
Bush could pull the troops but, he would have an uphill battle with the DoD and the resulting chaos.
The "Buck Stops Here" is on his pushing the button, not the plan or execution. Just a note, you can't fire the DoD.
"Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless." ~Ayatollah Khomeini
I can't abide President Bush. He's an arrogant globalist with no loyalty to the American people he is supposed to represent. That being said however.....
Until 9/11 America thought they could stay out of the middle east. The mindset was that we could try to buy peace through economic incentives and fight agression with economic sanctions.
Post 9/11 reality is that as long as violent totalitarian regimes control wealth and large populations, the free world hangs by a thread. The occupation of Afgahnistan and Iraq and military bases in Saudi Arabia will need to spread until we have troops on the ground in Pakistan, Iran, Syria, and others. We'll need to depose violent governments if we hope to live in peace and freedom ourselves. The example made of Saddam needs to be repeated in Iran ASAP. IMO
The trial of the christian was a test case. Supporters of democracy in Afgahnistan hoped for a supreme court ruling that would strike down any law prohibiting religious freedom. They were outfoxed by a system determined to keep oppressive islamic law as the law of afgahnistan. We need to remember the time it took to get the japanese out from under a monarchy that ordinary japanese thought was a diety. Rome was not built in a day nor will the middle east become an enlightened region of peace and freedom overnight. The forces of evil in the region are terrified that Iraq will rise as a democratic people. We really need to do all we can to see that happen. We need a warrior president... certainly not the chickenhawks strutting around the whitehouse.
Well I just heard that the guy will not be charged and that officilas are discussing when and how he will be released. He first has to be declared mentaaly fir before anything is done. There are also grouos looking into the possibility of the guy leaving to live in the west, and we all know he qualifies for refugee status in most countries.
Intrestingly this whole incident took place in the Mazir - i - Shariff that should ring a bell because it is wherer the coaliton met the toughest resistance from Muslim fighters.
03-24-2006 02:47 AM
