[QUOTE]USA1 said this in post #10 : [B]Have you ever looked to see how many troops die annually from non-combat related incidents?
Have you looked at the number of friendly fire incident involving US forces compared to other forces? off the top of my head I can think of the unexplicable reason for US forces to shot down two RAF tornadoes, the bombing of 8 Canadians in Afghanistan, the shooting of 9 Iraqi police and 1 Jordanian, the bombing of a a british troop carrier in the Perisan gulf war that resulted in 12 deaths, the bombing of a Kurdish convoy carrying US speacial forces near Mosul, there were the 10 soldiers killed in some sort of confusion during the fianl push to Baghdad, then there was the 1 British soldier who died when an A - 10 dropped a bomb on a UK convoy, 3 americans killed and 20 injured when a B 52 missed it's target, then there was the Hornet that US troops shot down. Thats probably only the tip of iceberg. Friendly fire does indeed happen all I am saying is that it happens more often to the US than other countries take Afghanistan US friendly fire deaths = 48 UK friendly fire deaths = 3
USA1 said this in post #15 :
I am not sure it any of our busness except the family of Tilman. To publicize or politicize this seems wrong.
Wrongful death of Anyone in the military should be publicized. That is what is "wrong."
We are all human and in that fold there are those who commit murder and being in the military doesn't change that. However, I don't think this is the case.
How the frick do you know? Is everyone in the military an angel in your eyes? Just because they have the patch?
I thin kit is a mistake in identity during a fire fight. What they told his parents is between them. It's not a relfection of our military general practice.
You are damn right it is a reflection of "our military general practice!!!"
nikiTa said this in post #17 : USA1 said this in post #15 :
I am not sure it any of our busness except the family of Tilman. To publicize or politicize this seems wrong.
Wrongful death of Anyone in the military should be publicized. That is what is "wrong."
We are all human and in that fold there are those who commit murder and being in the military doesn't change that. However, I don't think this is the case.
How the frick do you know? Is everyone in the military an angel in your eyes? Just because they have the patch?
I thin kit is a mistake in identity during a fire fight. What they told his parents is between them. It's not a relfection of our military general practice.
You are damn right it is a reflection of "our military general practice!!!"
Boy, are you missinformed!
This is typical liberal spin.
I never said they were angels, you did.
You are POLITICIZING this not me.
You are wrong about the general practice of how they handle the dead. You have no respect in my eyes.
"Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless." ~Ayatollah Khomeini
lodgebo said this in post #16 : [QUOTE]USA1 said this in post #10 : [B]Have you ever looked to see how many troops die annually from non-combat related incidents?
Have you looked at the number of friendly fire incident involving US forces compared to other forces? off the top of my head I can think of the unexplicable reason for US forces to shot down two RAF tornadoes, the bombing of 8 Canadians in Afghanistan, the shooting of 9 Iraqi police and 1 Jordanian, the bombing of a a british troop carrier in the Perisan gulf war that resulted in 12 deaths, the bombing of a Kurdish convoy carrying US speacial forces near Mosul, there were the 10 soldiers killed in some sort of confusion during the fianl push to Baghdad, then there was the 1 British soldier who died when an A - 10 dropped a bomb on a UK convoy, 3 americans killed and 20 injured when a B 52 missed it's target, then there was the Hornet that US troops shot down. Thats probably only the tip of iceberg. Friendly fire does indeed happen all I am saying is that it happens more often to the US than other countries take Afghanistan US friendly fire deaths = 48 UK friendly fire deaths = 3
Over what period of time are you talking about an in what conflict?
How many Americans have served in Iraq and Afganistan compared to any other country. The shear odds of the numbers serving increase the risk.
"Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless." ~Ayatollah Khomeini
Over what period of time are you talking about an in what conflict?
This is from the Persin gulf war, the current conflict and the Afghan conflict. the timescale is from the start of the battle to present day.
How many Americans have served in Iraq and Afganistan compared to any other country. The shear odds of the numbers serving increase the risk.
Like I said the number are only the tip of the iceberg, now yes there are more troops but the US friendly fire losses are more than the rest of the coalition losses put together now that is a worrying statistic. It's not just friendly fire either, was it not the US that dropped a bomb on a known aircraft shelter during the Perisn Gulf war and was it not Powell who had to try and clear up a major PR disaster? and what country bobmbed a red cross building in Afghanistan.
look lets take the first case I mentioned about the two tornadoes that you blew out of the sky in March 2003. Here you had the two planes coming back to the aircraft carrier they had flown from. Now we knes that Iraq had no air force and we all know that fighters don't look, sound or fly like planes so why did the US launch SAM's at the planes what possible reason could there be?
I'm still looking for where this death has been politicized? USA1, you're the only one on here talking about the death being politicized, saying it is doesn't make it so. Aside from the flippant remark about Cheney, this is not being politicized, so take your trash somewhere else unless you're willing to have intelligent discussion.
What's probably bothering you is the fact that Tillman was used as a poster boy for those who have fallen in combat only to find out it's a lie and there is a probable cover up. If you want to whine and complain about politicization, point the finger at the people that tried to make this man a poster boy.
Nothing more, nothing less, let's hope this investigation is fruitful. It's not just another friendly fire incident and you know it.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
- Bill Cosby
The guy who takes a chance, who walks the line between the known and unknown, who is unafraid of failure, will succeed.
- Gordon Parks
I really wasn't trying to make a "flippant remark." Nor was I trying to joke in any way form or fashion.
The thing about war is: Politicians order it. The President is the Commander in Chief. Congresspeople (politicians) are supposed to declare it...in times of dire national insecurity.... However.
And my comment was merely pointing to the fact...that these political leaders are just as culpable in this war...even more so than anyone else in the deaths of our boys.
03-06-2006 09:12 PM
