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Here are a few facts I pulled from scholarly book Capatalism & Slavery written by historian Eric Williams. More FACTS (lodgebo) will come as I try an finish book:

Not until Act Of Union of 1707 was Scotland allowed to participate in colonial trade. That permission put Glasgow ( the New York of Scotland) on the map.

Bishop Pococke wrote in 1760 after visiting Glasgow " the city has above all others felt the advantages of the Union"

The development of the triangular slave trade and of shipping and shipbuilding led to growth of seaport towns Bristol, Liverpool,and Glasgow(Scotland).


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First off I know that Glasgow is in Scotland but thaks for pointing it out anyway and the act of the union ( or act of parliment ) was in 1706 not 1707. It is articles 4 and 5 of the act that you are refering to I think. It must be said though that shipbuilding more than slavery was the reason behind Glasgows growth.

You might read about Dido Elizabeth Belle and her uncle or father Lord Mamsfield they freed the slaves in the UK.

Is this a legit book Malcom or is the same one that led you to say Scotland was secretly making a nuke.


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Capatilism & Slavery written by Eric Williams , you can get ot any bookstore . And you do admit Scotland's role in slave trade? Scotland never mentioned when this topic is discuss. Some type of Reparations is due.

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It is very rare for Scotland to be mentioned in this type of thing due to the English defeating the Scots at Cullodin and controlling the majority of Scotland up until the 1990's (I think) when they got political Independence.

The British however are mentioned about as much as any other country is when referring to the slave trade. That is the English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish (when they were under English rule.)

If you want to bring Scotland into this slave trade thing then you might as well bring in the Welsh, Irish, English and any other European superpower of the time.

Nobody really condones the slave trade but it is a part of history and there is no escaping that. The point is that Scotland, even if they were not at the time mentioned, were part of the Great British Empire, an Empire known for it's cruelty to wards the natives of the countries in its Empire. Because of the Scots heavy involvement in the making of that Empire their own actions as an independent country are more often than not overshadowed by the actions of the British Empire


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From what I understand about the triangular slave trade, the British government had 6 ports set up as 3 primary ports and 3 secondary ports Bristol and Glasgow were secondary ports. As I understand the slave trade what happend was as follows, in the UK boats were loaded with gunpowder, copper etc etc these boats then sailed to parts of Africa where the goods were bartred for slaves, the ships then sailed to the US were the slaves were either sold or tarded for tobacco etc etc and then the boats came back to the home ports and rmaning slaves were sold to the big slave trade company called the African international trade company or something along those lines, this compnay was based in London. I also know that Liverpool and Lond were the main slave ports until 1833 when the trade was rightly aboished.

No doubt that Glasgow served as a port for this sad tarde but I would be intrested to know how many slaves came to or were sold in Glasgow ( if there is a figure in the book will you let know). As for reparations I think asking countries to back pay for all past wrongdoing would be dodgy who do you pay and how much? If reperations were to be paid it would be a matter for the UK government as it happend at the time when there was not a devolved Scottish Parliment ( if you feel strongly about this Malcolm PM me and will send you the E - mail adresses of the appropriate UK MP's that you can contact and rightly voice your anger about this trade).

I will address your second post later on, got to go out.

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From what I understand about the triangular slave trade, the British government had 6 ports set up as 3 primary ports and 3 secondary ports Bristol and Glasgow were secondary ports. As I understand the slave trade what happend was as follows, in the UK boats were loaded with gunpowder, copper etc etc these boats then sailed to parts of Africa where the goods were bartred for slaves, the ships then sailed to the US were the slaves were either sold or tarded for tobacco etc etc and then the boats came back to the home ports and rmaning slaves were sold to the big slave trade company called the African international trade company or something along those lines, this compnay was based in London. I also know that Liverpool and Lond were the main slave ports until 1833 when the trade was rightly aboished.

No doubt that Glasgow served as a port for this sad tarde but I would be intrested to know how many slaves came to or were sold in Glasgow ( if there is a figure in the book will you let know). As for reparations I think asking countries to back pay for all past wrongdoing would be dodgy who do you pay and how much? If reperations were to be paid it would be a matter for the UK government as it happend at the time when there was not a devolved Scottish Parliment ( if you feel strongly about this Malcolm PM me and will send you the E - mail adresses of the appropriate UK MP's that you can contact and rightly voice your anger about this trade).

I will address your second post later on, got to go out.

PS Like I said PM and I can get those E - Mail adresses form you it's no problem.


I will look as try and finish. Book giving me headache.

Thimk it would be better if you adrress your giv for me. You know politics of country and writing skills more polish.


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I think I will try and get this book because it sounds quite interesting, my fiancee has a book called Evil Scotland ( bit harsh I thought) and that book has things about Scots that went to the US and started the KKK and she thinks there is a bit about salvery as well, she's going to look it out and if there is anything intresting I will let you know.

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Lodgebo, you member of Scottish Nationalist Party?

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No I am not a member of the party I did vote for them in the last election but I will not this time round as the leadership seems to be rather weak.

I do however hope and would like to see and independent Scotland one day.

Why do you ask anyways?


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No I am not a member of the party I did vote for them in the last election but I will not this time round as the leadership seems to be rather weak.

I do however hope and would like to see and independent Scotland one day.

Why do you ask anyways?


I want to expose your hypocrisy. Zimbabwe has same goal of independence from England. Your saying its okay for England to illegally occupy countries but not Scotland?


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Well last time I checked Scotland was not and has no intention of illegally occupying countries we just sit up here freezing our asses off and getting drunk.

But Zimbabwe is a totally diffrent situation from what you are talking about you see Scotland has not had rigged elction, Scotland has not blamed every singlr problem on England, Scotland has not told Scottish people to retake land owned by English people, Scotland has not starved it's people to death, Scotland has not lost 1 miilion people in under a year ( What do you think happend to those 1 million anti - mugabe people Malcolm?), In Scotland you don't face 10 years in jail if you are gay, in Scotland the governmen does not destroy towns for no reason, Scotland did not send troops to fight in the Congolese war, Scotland has freedom of the press, Scotland has not been islotaed by the international community, Desomnod Tutu has not called Scotland leader a dictator, Scotland leader can fly anywhere in the europe as he has not had a travel restriction put on him ( Mugabe is in a fine group only paedos, rapists, murderers and hooligans get travel restrictions), Scotland does not condone rape ( hundred of white women were raped in Zimbabwe the claims were not investigated), Scotland does not have 50% unemploymewnt, 60% inflation and we are not spendi $1million+ to fight a war 1200 miles away which has nothing to do wioth us at all, Scotland would not reject aid beacuse of where it came from, Scotland is still has hard currency to buy oil and gas ( not that we need to). Zimbabwe has done all these things in the name of as you put it " independace".

Starnge that you calim Zimbabwe wants independance because on the 2nd March 1970 the then Rodesia was declared a republic cutting all it's ties with the UK it was not a suprising move at the time as Ian Smith had declred Rodesia independant in 1965 which the UK accepted Zimbabwe is not even classed as a commonwealth country so where you get the idea that this is for independance is beyond me. But hey if you think that Zimbabwe is such a wonderful place and better than Scotland and Mugabe ios such a wonderful leader I am sure that you could go ( don't take your camera they are banned) there is a lot of space after all 1 million spaces were made available recently.


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Well last time I checked Scotland was not and has no intention of illegally occupying countries we just sit up here freezing our asses off and getting drunk.

But Zimbabwe is a totally diffrent situation from what you are talking about you see Scotland has not had rigged elction, Scotland has not blamed every singlr problem on England, Scotland has not told Scottish people to retake land owned by English people, Scotland has not starved it's people to death, Scotland has not lost 1 miilion people in under a year ( What do you think happend to those 1 million anti - mugabe people Malcolm?), In Scotland you don't face 10 years in jail if you are gay, in Scotland the governmen does not destroy towns for no reason, Scotland did not send troops to fight in the Congolese war, Scotland has freedom of the press, Scotland has not been islotaed by the international community, Desomnod Tutu has not called Scotland leader a dictator, Scotland leader can fly anywhere in the europe as he has not had a travel restriction put on him ( Mugabe is in a fine group only paedos, rapists, murderers and hooligans get travel restrictions), Scotland does not condone rape ( hundred of white women were raped in Zimbabwe the claims were not investigated), Scotland does not have 50% unemploymewnt, 60% inflation and we are not spendi $1million+ to fight a war 1200 miles away which has nothing to do wioth us at all, Scotland would not reject aid beacuse of where it came from, Scotland is still has hard currency to buy oil and gas ( not that we need to). Zimbabwe has done all these things in the name of as you put it " independace".

Starnge that you calim Zimbabwe wants independance because on the 2nd March 1970 the then Rodesia was declared a republic cutting all it's ties with the UK it was not a suprising move at the time as Ian Smith had declred Rodesia independant in 1965 which the UK accepted Zimbabwe is not even classed as a commonwealth country so where you get the idea that this is for independance is beyond me. But hey if you think that Zimbabwe is such a wonderful place and better than Scotland and Mugabe ios such a wonderful leader I am sure that you could go ( don't take your camera they are banned) there is a lot of space after all 1 million spaces were made available recently.


getting drunk is only statement that was true. Where do you get this your info about Africa? Isn't there some penalty for propaganda and lies?

You say Scotland doesn't have NUCLEAR . what about this?


Under Freedom of Info Act sites were revealed to be dumping NUCLEAR waste. " Scotland sites identified as Downreay and Altnabeac, an under-sea site off Hunterston and two small Hebridean islands off Barra".

" This suggest Scotland was being lined up as UK's NUCLEAR waste dump...Scotland will have to pay the price for NUCLEAR obsession" ( Richard Lochhead of Scottish Nat Party)

Tommy Sheridan, a high ranking Scottish politician, was arrested at anti - NUCLEAR WEAPON demonstration at an Scottish Naval Base. " I refuse to recognize the inhumanity of NUCLEAR WEAPONS.... the biggest waste of taxpayer's money is the maintenence of weapons of mass destruction"


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Under Freedom of Info Act sites were revealed to be dumping NUCLEAR waste. " Scotland sites identified as Downreay and Altnabeac, an under-sea site off Hunterston and two small Hebridean islands off Barra".

" This suggest Scotland was being lined up as UK's NUCLEAR waste dump...Scotland will have to pay the price for NUCLEAR obsession" ( Richard Lochhead of Scottish Nat Party)

Tommy Sheridan, a high ranking Scottish politician, was arrested at anti - NUCLEAR WEAPON demonstration at an Scottish Naval Base. " I refuse to recognize the inhumanity of NUCLEAR WEAPONS.... the biggest waste of taxpayer's money is the maintenence of weapons of mass destruction"


Two questions.

First how did this turn into a Nuclear Weapon and waste thing?

This was about Scotland being involved in the Slave trade. Something that every European country and even American business men were involved in, and now it's something about Scotland becoming a Nuclear testing ground or something. Which would never happen because the majority of Britains care too much about Scotlands natural beauty to allow anything like that.

And secondly, do you, my American friend Macolm xx, think that everybody in Britain is a member of a 'national' party?

I voted for the Lib-Dems in last elections, my first vote in any election having just become old enough to vote. The BNP gained seats and the majority of, not only papers and politions, but people in general were suprised and shocked than anyone would vote the BNP in, who have been proved to have at least racial undertones (as anything else would be libelous to say about them).

They only got about 12 seats but that is missing only one that they tried to get. Hardly the overwhelming majority of Britains voting considering the Tories, sorry Conservatives, ended up with well over 900 and Labour and the Lib-Dems still had about 400 seats each.


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You know Malcolm I was gone I had left gone on to patures new and one night I was bored thought I would have a look and lo and behold I found the piece of comedy you have posted below. Normally I would let it fly but the fact that you have A. been misinformed of the facts and B. have totally gone of the subject. menat that I felt I should come back and set the record straight.

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getting drunk is only statement that was true.

Well at least you agree that I speak the truth unlike you who continues to peddle the same racist BS that actually cuases more racism than it cures.

You say Scotland doesn't have NUCLEAR .

No I did not say Scotland has nuclear I said Scotland does not have nuke weapons ( more BS that you continued to peddle at on at least 2 boards)


Under Freedom of Info Act sites were revealed to be dumping NUCLEAR waste. " Scotland sites identified as Downreay and Altnabeac, an under-sea site off Hunterston and two small Hebridean islands off Barra".

Ok lets break this down Dounray ( you remeber Dounray that's the place you claimed was stockpiling nukes) and Hunterston are Nuclear power station sites and as a result obviously will have waste near them. Altnabec never heard of will have to look it up. As for the islands you have to name them or I cant deny or admit it can I ( little hint the islands will be named in the FOI report)

This suggest Scotland was being lined up as UK's NUCLEAR waste dump...Scotland will have to pay the price for NUCLEAR obsession" ( Richard Lochhead of Scottish Nat Party)

Richard Lochead well when did he say this? recently I bet probably around the same time he was fightuing a by - election which was also the same time that Blair said that the UK may have to go nuclear. Intrestingly you have omitted a piece of info and that is thatv Jack McConnel has told Westminster that he wont allow nuclear waste to be dumped in Scotland. Whats your response to that piece if news?

Tommy Sheridan, a high ranking Scottish politician, was arrested at anti - NUCLEAR WEAPON demonstration at an Scottish Naval Base. " I refuse to recognize the inhumanity of NUCLEAR WEAPONS.... the biggest waste of taxpayer's money is the maintenence of weapons of mass destruction"


Oh Tommy Sheridan the fine outstanding pillar of Scottish politics the guy is a socialist whackjob he had to give up leadeship of his party because he there were warrants for his arrest at thge present time theis headcase has been in jail at least 40 times since 2000. He also shows his lack of knowlege on the subject as nukes are maintained at the AWE in Surrey. This guy has spent at least 60% of his political carrer at demostartions and always gets arrested.

As Tiger said Malcom what the hell this has to do with that ***t mugabe or even the slave trade is beyond me but I guess you have ran out of arguements. Maybe I will check back now and again to see what you think.


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Two questions.

First how did this turn into a Nuclear Weapon and waste thing?

This was about Scotland being involved in the Slave trade. Something that every European country and even American business men were involved in, and now it's something about Scotland becoming a Nuclear testing ground or something. Which would never happen because the majority of Britains care too much about Scotlands natural beauty to allow anything like that.

And secondly, do you, my American friend Macolm xx, think that everybody in Britain is a member of a 'national' party?

I voted for the Lib-Dems in last elections, my first vote in any election having just become old enough to vote. The BNP gained seats and the majority of, not only papers and politions, but people in general were suprised and shocked than anyone would vote the BNP in, who have been proved to have at least racial undertones (as anything else would be libelous to say about them).

They only got about 12 seats but that is missing only one that they tried to get. Hardly the overwhelming majority of Britains voting considering the Tories, sorry Conservatives, ended up with well over 900 and Labour and the Lib-Dems still had about 400 seats each.


I was respondng to Lodgebo's denial that Scotland doesn't have Nuclear program. FOI Act gives evidence that can be read by anyone intrested.

I will give true history of Zimbabwe . Had to do some research. Unable to spin and create stories like Logebo.


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I was respondng to Lodgebo's denial that Scotland doesn't have Nuclear program. FOI Act gives evidence that can be read by anyone intrested.

Malcolm define for us what you consider a nuclear program. do you mean a program to build nuclear power stations? if you do then you are partly right. Or do you mean a program to build nuclear weapons? if you do you are so wrong it is tragic. In all honesty when you say "Scotland has a nuclear program" you are wrong because ( and I believe White Tiger can back me up here ) the building of nuclear power stations or wepaons is a British issue and decided in London by Blair not in Scotland by McConnel although he does have a say in where nuclear station wouild be placed. In short the UK has a nuclear program not on country in the UK.

I will give true history of Zimbabwe . Had to do some research. Unable to spin and create stories like Logebo.


I create stories . Just to clarify Malcolm where exactly did I " create stories"? are you saying Mugabe has not taken land from white farmers? he has not rigged elections? he has not blamed the UK for Zimbabwes problems? people are not starving to death in Zimbabwe? are you saying that 1 million+ have not vanished? that homosexuality is not punishable by jail? are you saying that Mugabe has not destroyed towns and displaced people? that Mugabe did not get involved in the Congolese war? that there is in fact freedom of the press in Zimbabwe is that waht your saying? Are you denying thge fact that Zimbabwe is becoming more isolated from the international community every day? are you denying that Mugabe has a travel restriction put on him? are you saying that rape does not go unnoticed in Zimbabwe? are you sayijng that unemplyment and inflation are not out of control in Zimbabwe? that Zimbabwe has rejected international aid from the UK are you saying that has not happend, are you saying that Zimbabwe does actually have the hard cash to buy oil and gas? Finnally are you denying that in 1970 Rodesia cut all ties with the UK and went for independance?


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Oh yeah Ps the Islands off Barra thatare being used for nuclear watse dumping they would be Funday and Sandray. Except for one small problem Malcolm they were never used for dumping nuclear waste only considred the same applies to Altnabeac. You also failed to point out that Essex, Humberside, Cumbria and Yorkshire in England were also considred you also failed to point out that of 537 sites in the UK only 137 were in Scotland why is that. The funny thing is that you ignored all this and then accused me of spin .

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As far as my understanding of the British government goes all of the important decisions have to be made by Parliment in London. Far an Act of Parliment to be passed the majority of the Members of Parliment must be in agreement.

England has two major parties, Labour and Concervative. We also have the Liberal-Democrates as the alternative majory party. There is also UKIP, the British-National-Party, The Green Party, The Monster-Raving-Loony party and a number of independant parties and the Welsh independant party (who's name is in welsh).

For an act to be passed the majority of these parties M.P's must agree. As it stands Labour is in Government but Concervatives hold the majority of seats.

So while Scotland does have some political independance they do not have the power to begin a nuclear program without asking Parliment.

And as far as nuclear weapons go it was the Americans and the Russians who were involved in the nuclear arms race not Britain. We only have ,to my knowledge, the Trident Nuclear Intercontinental Balistic Missiles and the Nuclear powered Vanguard class submarines on which these missiles are kept. I believe that Britain has at least one nuclear power station.


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Countries of United Kingdom have agreement under the Act of Union that requires countries to have one gov led by England. So Blair is prime min of 4 countries and speaks for united kingdom. So Bush/Blair/Sharon occupation involved 6 countries.
As far as my understanding of the British government goes all of the important decisions have to be made by Parliment in London. Far an Act of Parliment to be passed the majority of the Members of Parliment must be in agreement.

England has two major parties, Labour and Concervative. We also have the Liberal-Democrates as the alternative majory party. There is also UKIP, the British-National-Party, The Green Party, The Monster-Raving-Loony party and a number of independant parties and the Welsh independant party (who's name is in welsh).

For an act to be passed the majority of these parties M.P's must agree. As it stands Labour is in Government but Concervatives hold the majority of seats.

So while Scotland does have some political independance they do not have the power to begin a nuclear program without asking Parliment.

And as far as nuclear weapons go it was the Americans and the Russians who were involved in the nuclear arms race not Britain. We only have ,to my knowledge, the Trident Nuclear Intercontinental Balistic Missiles and the Nuclear powered Vanguard class submarines on which these missiles are kept. I believe that Britain has at least one nuclear power station.


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Countries of United Kingdom have agreement under the Act of Union that requires countries to have one gov led by England. So Blair is prime min of 4 countries and speaks for united kingdom. So Bush/Blair/Sharon occupation involved 6 countries.


Technicly speaking Malcolm Tony Blair is the Prime Minister of England. Scotlan, Wales and Northern Ireland are submissive to England due to the occupation of Ireland, Wales and Scotland in ages past.

In short England makes the rules Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have to follow them.

Northern Ireland is, however, a very volitile political area. A chief Government official has to be assinged to Northern Ireland all the time to maintain the peace with the Republic of Ireland.

However as I said the majority of seats in Parliment are controled by the Concervatives now so they would have the deciding vote. As it stands Labour and the Lib-Dems have to be in total agreement to equal the concervative seats, of course this is ignoring the seats held by the BNP, UKIP, the Green Party, the Monster-Raving-Looney party, the Plaid Cymru (National party of Wales), the Cornish nationalism party and the various independant parties that manage to gain seats in government.

So while Tony Blairs government can make up Laws and draw up designs for future government schemes these ideas have to go through Parliment and be decided by all of these parties M.P's.

So Tony Blair and his government are by no means in complete control of the UK.


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Malcolm the Government in England make collective descions for the uk on Defence ( including descions on war ), Tax collection and tax setting, future sources of power i.e. nuclear, descions on how much cash each devolved parliment will get, immigration ( home office), foreign affairs ( foreign office).

As for Scotland well we make descions on where the money we get goes, we make descions on education, health, crime issues etc etc we make our own laws e.g. ban on smoking, ban on hunting with dogs etc etc. Wales is the same. So you see whoever was PM of the UK would not control over certain aspects of life in the UK mainly because the first ministers of these countries are involved in the day to day things that affect people more.

Anyway Malcolm what exactly is this thread about because so far we have had slavery, secret nuclear weapons, nuclear dumping grounds, Zimbabwe ( still waiting for true history of BTW) and no we have touche on Israel and have entred a discussion on devolution and law/ descion making in 21st century Britain.


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I create stories . Just to clarify Malcolm where exactly did I " create stories"? are you saying Mugabe has not taken land from white farmers? he has not rigged elections? he has not blamed the UK for Zimbabwes problems? people are not starving to death in Zimbabwe? are you saying that 1 million+ have not vanished? that homosexuality is not punishable by jail? are you saying that Mugabe has not destroyed towns and displaced people? that Mugabe did not get involved in the Congolese war? that there is in fact freedom of the press in Zimbabwe is that waht your saying? Are you denying thge fact that Zimbabwe is becoming more isolated from the international community every day? are you denying that Mugabe has a travel restriction put on him? are you saying that rape does not go unnoticed in Zimbabwe? are you sayijng that unemplyment and inflation are not out of control in Zimbabwe? that Zimbabwe has rejected international aid from the UK are you saying that has not happend, are you saying that Zimbabwe does actually have the hard cash to buy oil and gas? Finnally are you denying that in 1970 Rodesia cut all ties with the UK and went for independance?


Have you been in Zimbabwe? If not, what is source of your info?
And what makes it more legitimate? This will help determine accuracy of your questions.


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Out of curiousity, malcome, have you ever been to Zimbabwe? Or an African Country in general?

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Have you been in Zimbabwe?

If you have a UK passport you are not alowed in to Zimbabwe so to answeryour question No I have not been but I have been to other African countries where Mugabe reputation as an animal perceeds him. Have you been to Zimbabwe?

If not, what is source of your info?

Reports by EU, UN, Euro governments, US Government,Cnadian Goverment, African governemnts, Refugees that have risked thier lives escaping the dictator, secret reports that have been sneaked out of Zimbabwe ( press are banned) by Sky, BBC, Fox, Reuters, AP, from Charities such as Oxfam and Save the children and frolm the political opponents that have had to flew in fear of thier live. I like most would like to get quotes from the 1 million people that have vanished but we all know the dead can't speak.

And what makes it more legitimate?

Well I don't doubt for a minute that you will consider the above sources illegitamate but if you look at the number and the range of diffrent sources who are all saying the same thing we start to get a pictyure of Mugabe. Oh and FYI do you know how hard it is to try and find a sourcs that says Mugabe and Zanu PF are good guys.


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My info for Scotland's Nuclear Program came because of the FOI ACT, you decided it wasn't credible and the info was wrong? It seems info negative toward Scotland you discredit the source. Info given thats true about England you question the intent.



never visited an foreign country , so We rely on the news media /wire to keep concern citicens up to date. Thats why I don't go after countries that I have NEVER SEEN or HAVE ANYKNOWLEDGE ABOUT


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My info for Scotland's Nuclear Program came because of the FOI ACT, you decided it wasn't credible and the info was wrong? It fo negative toward Scotland you discredit the source. Info given thats true about England you question the intent.

The thing is Malcolm and I was not going to say this but I feel I have to. You sir are nothing more than liar in fact there is a usefull four letter word an you are full of it. You see I did a little research on the FOI act and guess what the act does not cover info about the UK not Scotland's but the UK's nuclear program. you may have got info about what people have said, old testing grounds from the last fifty years and other misc stuff about nuclear programs but nothing else. See they don't give out sensitive info on nuclear locations because any one could infiltrate Rosyth ( opps let it slip) and blow it to bits. So see Malcolm I was tryiung to let you down gently but you are a liar I mena what country is going tell a foreigner or anyone for that matter about nuclear details.



never visited an foreign country , so We rely on the news media /wire to keep concern citicens up to date. Thats why I don't go after countries that I have NEVER SEEN or HAVE ANYKNOWLEDGE ABOUT


Well you obvioulsy know sweet FA about Scotland you have proved that . As for Zimbabwe like I said Brits are not allowed in anymore cos of that piece of excrement called Mugabe, so if this is about my sources well I have a varied amount of sources no?. Anyways you were going to prove me wrong about what I have said about Zimbabwe so please go ahead.


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Here are a few facts I pulled from scholarly book Capatalism & Slavery written by historian Eric Williams. More FACTS (lodgebo) will come as I try an finish book:

Not until Act Of Union of 1707 was Scotland allowed to participate in colonial trade. That permission put Glasgow ( the New York of Scotland) on the map.

Bishop Pococke wrote in 1760 after visiting Glasgow " the city has above all others felt the advantages of the Union"

The development of the triangular slave trade and of shipping and shipbuilding led to growth of seaport towns Bristol, Liverpool,and Glasgow(Scotland).


You know Malcolm, I have to admit that it is true what others on this cite say about you--you DO veer off in many directions...

When I waded though all of the ****, my understanding is that this thread was about Scotland's involement, if significant, in the slave trade. I think that ALL the points that you rasied were addressed by Logebo, then further expanded on by White Tiger. (Both of whom I felt were very respectful while doing so). You, on the other hand, seem to take offence to being corrected and so you try to find something else that you can "attack" with--issues in Zimbabwee. When that issue was addressed, something further still--Nuclear Weapons/Dumping..

Let's get back to what this thread started on--Scotland's involvement in the slave trade. Do you have ANY hard facts that back this up? We already know that they were peripherally involved, (goods for trading, boats, etc), but do you have any proof that there were any slaves bartered from ANY port there? The question has already been posed and you have yet to answer it.

Let us assume that the answer is "yes" for a moment... then what? It is interesting that you have not mentioned the Africans role in the slavery trade. .. hmmmm, why is that? Could it be because some of them sold their own kind into a life of cruelty and unwanted servitude? My point is, if Scotland was involved, then so was the rest of the UK AND Africans as well, so why single out Scotland? And if we are going to talk about racism, why not START with Africa? I would think that you would be ired by racism in ANY form, not just a white/black example. Why is that? Maybe that is something that you need to think about. We are here discussing something from 1770 and it has become a heated "discussion", if I can call it that.

Perhaps an interesting discussion would be, why you feel that you need to attack and alienate every race in this forum? And why are all of your posts surrounding what you view as racism, (or at least they eventually end there)? To hear other people's point of view is always a good thing, but you seem to always have the same one, and you are not receptive to anyone else's insight. If you are right and eveyone else is wrong, then just the knowledge of that should be comfort enough, so why post at all, if not to infuriate others? You name-sling and insult people at every turn--while half the time, you didn't even understand what was being said... Why are you so angry, and with whom?


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This is some interesting discussion going on in here. I enjoyed both points of view while sipping some 12yr old Glenlivit.

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Very well said, simco.

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Very well said, simco.

-HECK!


What did he say? Did he read post # 15? Has anyone read post #15? Why hasn't his sources been questioned? or motives? Isn't anyone curious to how[why?] someone could write post #15 BUT HAS NEVER SEEN[or set foot in] THAT COUNTRY ? How can anyone to write such fiction?

Simco think for yourself.


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