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I decided to post these news here for it to gain more attention.

A russian soldier has lost both of his legs and penis as a result of systematic beating and sexual harassment by his senior "comrades". The story was being kept silent for a month, until nurses and doctors in the hospital, where he was being treated, refused to follow orders from high-level military officials and shared the story with journalists. His family has received numerous threats and offers in money and goods in exchange for them not talking about it and avoiding lawsuits against the military and/or certain individuals.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060128...ia_soldier_dc_1
http://abcnews.go.com/International...TC-RSSFeeds0312
http://www.billingsgazette.com/inde...d/87-hazing.inc

Back to USSR, thats for sure. But what should we, westerners, expect?

PS. It should be noted that this is not new stuff - abuse has been taking place in russian armed forces for decades. On average, 50 people die in russian army due to non-incidental "friendly fire" a month.

PPS. French students at the Universit? Pierre et Marie Curie were shown a movie about Andrey Sychev, the soldier who was abused and lost his legs. At the end of the presentation, frenchmen turned towards the only russian present - a female student - and asked her if that is true. She, in an interview with Russia's "Independent Newspaper", has said that never in her life she was so ashamed of being russian. Frenchmen decided it's a made-up story.

If there are any french men reading this, you should know that this is REAL and there are THOUSANDS of young boys killed every yeat in russian army after suffering not-combat-at-all injuries.


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Guess they're making a Code Red into something more cruel.

Military hazing like that is nothing knew, but beating someone nearly to death really makes no sense. It will make people not want to join, bust morale, etc. The powers that be need to tighthen the reigns on their wayward Comrades and treat their troops like humans and not punching bags.

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HECK,
There is no morale in russian armed forces. With draft, about $2 a day for food, hazing that is so inhumane it becomes scandalous, most of the equipment old and unusable... What morale? Basically, servicemen try to survive by stealing AKs and rockets and selling them to chechens.

One thing we know for sure: if Russia were to start a war with USA tomorrow, they would most definitely lose.


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I think Russia losing a war with the U.S. was a forgone conclusion after the fall of the Soviet Union.

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Is it not difficult to measure morale in the Russian army unless you are actually in the Russian army?

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That's really sad. Beating someone, and causing them to lose their legs AND penis? What's this world coming to? How can people justify this as a GOOD and MORAL way to live, and treat another human being? It's really sad... and cruel.

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The sad thing is that despite waht is being said the armed forces in the west are really not that much better. First off I have never known of a soldier that has not had a serious punch up with another soldier, Also in the UK we have sadly had the Deepcut scandel where an unusually high number of soldiers have commited suicide or have been murdered. In the US there was the scandal surronding bullying and relgious prejudice at the Air Force Academy.

Incidently the General who was involved in this beating has been charged with abuse of office and concelaing a crime, the reason this case took so long to come out was NOT because high level military officers covered it up it was because when the private was being treated his general blamed it on illness. Although under arrest the Genral has alredy been sacked as director of the military academy. The Russian defence minsiter has ordered an investigation into bullying and also an inquiry into why the privates injuries were covered up by the academy for 25 days. Can't see the point in the inquiry lets face it the general did the beating he was in charge of the academy so he is hardly going to admit it is he?


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Found a link about the General being charged Russian General Charged

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lodgebo said this in post #5 :
Is it not difficult to measure morale in the Russian army unless you are actually in the Russian army?


Not exactly, there have been polls, conducted among young russians, which showed that 13% (!!!) are willing to fight for their country; there is this incident, another 30 or so non-combat deaths a month by official stats, and the non-official figure, which is more trustworthy, is around 50. I have also read that they spend $2 a day to feed a soldier, which is just a bit more than $1.75 they spend on inmates across Russia's many prisons and colonies. Hey, you wanna hear an interesting piece of information? Every fourth man in Russia was convicted and did jail time. Yes! 25% of the male population has seen the other side. Back to the topic of morale. What kind of morale do you expect from soldiers who are forcefully taken out of their homes, treated like prisoners when it comes to food and clothing, beaten up by superiors and then had their legs amputated? Remember, this is just the tip of the iceberg, many other cases are not known to readers of English-language news sources.
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