id hate to contradict you but christmas, as its name sugests is in fact a celebration of the birth of christ (a christian festival) and around 1978 - 2022 yeas ago
If, in the distant future, the message and true intent of the holiday is overshadowed by its monetary shackles, then we need to revisit this question.
-HECK!
I believe we are already at this point. After seeing all those crazy people run over people in their cars, in the parking lot, stampede into stores, bump and kick and shove people just to get into a damn target on black friday because it's 60% off just made me sick... i realized we are beyond the TRUE meaning of christmas. People are now into nothing but presents. It's disgusting.
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flying panda said this in post #33 : id hate to contradict you but christmas, as its name sugests is in fact a celebration of the birth of christ (a christian festival) and around 1978 - 2022 yeas ago
Christmas:
"Christ's Mass." The Christianized Pagan holiday of the Winter Solstice celebrating the rebirth of the Sun. See Yule.
Black Mass:
This rite from the Middle Ages is not connected with witchcraft, despite popular modern belief. <see link below if you believe that lie> The Black Mass is a perversion of the highest Christian sacrament, and must be performed by an ordained Christian priest who has the power to consecrate the elements of the Mass (for good or bad). The transformation of the body and blood of Christ, through wine and bread is strictly a Christian held belief.
Lammas:
From the Old English, meaning "Loaf Mass"; the Christianized Pagan Festival of the First-fruits of the Harvest. See Lughnassadh.
flying panda said this in post #33 : id hate to contradict you but christmas, as its name sugests is in fact a celebration of the birth of christ (a christian festival) and around 1978 - 2022 yeas ago
The origin of "Christmas," by the "creator" of the Roman Catholic church, Constantine post 300 C.E.
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Constantine never celebrated "Christmas", because this word and idea didn't exist during his lifetime. But he did celebrate it in its original Pagan form, Natalis Solis Invictus, or Saturnalia -- the birth of the unconquerable sun, on December 25th. Christmas was a formerly Pagan birthday celebration, revised later to apply to Yahushua's birthday. This idea of combining religious concepts, practices, or customs is called: SYNCRETISM definition: The attempt or tendency to combine or reconcile differing beliefs, as in philosophy or religion. Origin of word: Greek, sunkretizen — to unite in the manner of the Cretan cities. SUN together, + Kres (stem Kret ) Cretan.
I believe we are already at this point. After seeing all those crazy people run over people in their cars, in the parking lot, stampede into stores, bump and kick and shove people just to get into a damn target on black friday because it's 60% off just made me sick... i realized we are beyond the TRUE meaning of christmas. People are now into nothing but presents. It's disgusting.
Yeah, the holiday did lose some luster after grown men were crying and pummeling each other over a Tickle Me Elmo doll.
At least we know owners, CEO's and investors of Toy Makers, Airlines, Gas Stations, Department Stores and restaurants will have a Merry Christmas in their wallets.
Christmas
Christmas (literally, the Mass of Christ) is a holiday in the Christian calendar, usually observed on December 25, which celebrates the birth of Jesus. According to the Christian gospels, Jesus was born to Mary in Bethlehem, where she and her husband Joseph had travelled to register in the Roman census. Christ's birth, or nativity, was said by his followers to fulfill the prophecies of Judaism that a messiah would come, from the house of David, to redeem the world from sin. Early Christians celebrated more the subsequent Epiphany, when the baby Jesus was visited by the Magi. Efforts to assign a date for his birth began some centuries later. The precise chronology of Jesus' birth and death as well as the historicity of Jesus are still debated.
In predominantly Christian countries, Christmas has become the most economically significant holiday of the year, and it is also celebrated as a secular holiday in many countries with small Christian populations. It is largely characterized by exchanging gifts within families, and by gifts brought by Santa Claus or other mythical figures. Local and regional Christmas traditions are still rich and varied, despite the widespread influence of American and British Christmas motifs through literature, television, and other media.
"Christmas" is a contraction of "Christ's Mass", derived from the Old English Cristes mæsse. It is often abbreviated Xmas, possibly because the letter X resembles the Greek letter Χ (Chi), which is the first letter of "Christ" as spelled in Greek (Χριστός Christos).
There is more to read at the web site.
As for Sukkot -- the Feast of Tabernacles. I have researched the Sukkot (on the web and everything I read has nothing to do with the birth of Christ, unless I'm missing something. If I'm missing something please explain it to me nikiTa. Thanks.
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Sukkot is the last of the Shalosh R'galim (three pilgrimage festivals).
Tishri is around the Gregorian Equivalent of September-October. Most people believe that Jesus was born between Dec 25th and Jan 6th, there seems to be alot of murky water over the exact date
Christianity is not the only religion that has a religious holiday in December. There's Kwanzaa, Hanuka, Winter Solstice... So there needs to a holiday time set aside for those people who have a religious holiday at that time, and for those of us who aren't religious, it can still be a time to take a break from work/school and spend time with family. So long as there is an official holiday at that time, I don't care what it is called.
"Man is a marvelous curiosity ... he thinks he is the Creator's pet ... he even believes the Creator loves him; has a passion for him; sits up nights to admire him; yes and watch over him and keep him out of trouble. He prays to him and thinks He listens. Isn't it a quaint idea." Mark Twain
If there is a national holiday for every religion we would have most the year off, and would hardly ever go to work. So the best way to do things is to have the holidays of the religion of the dominant religion in that area. and any other people can try and work something out with there boss
12-05-2005 02:31 PM
