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The death toll in Pakistan from the earthquake has climbed to more than 18,000, a spokesman for Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf announced. CNN has not confirmed that figure. Pakistan is bearing the brunt of the 7.6 quake, which was centered 60 miles north-northeast of Islamabad. India, the disputed territory of Kashmir, and Afghanistan also suffered. Aftershocks continue to rattle the south Asian region.

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have severe natural disasters been more frequent recently? or just reported more?

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I think reported more because they are getting worse and in most cases hitting the worst possible areas, Tsuanmi hit countries for example are some of the poorest places on earth and had no resources to rebuild the areas, Pakistan is not as poor but still needs help.

The UK sent in search and rescue teams yesterday and because of our historical and diplomatic ties with Pakistan we have promised whatever they need. America has also pledged help.

We should not forget that India and Afghanistan were also affected by this quake but I am unsure of the damage in these countries, however 1 girl was killed in Afghanistan.


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have severe natural disasters been more frequent recently?


Yes.


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Pakistani officials said the death toll ranges between nearly 20,000 and 30,000 in Kashmir.

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Can someone recommend where I might find some news coverage of the earthquake? I wonder why CNN isn't covering it. It's been a busy day, so I have only had time to tune into the television trap a few times. Each time, I didn't hear anything about the earthquake, but I did hear mention of Katrina a few times.

30, 000 people are expected to be dead and experts are predicting that the death toll will rise even higher. Why is this disaster of no importance or interest to the western world and media?


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I recommend going directly to the source....

http://www.pakistanlink.com/


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Thanks, SWTT. I have looked at other sites, mostly direct sources, too.

Does CNN not cover world news anymore?


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Part of the reason for the high death toll is that many of the buildings are made out of cement. It just crumbles in quakes. It is so sad to think of all the lives lost.

CNN was covering it. Not the prime time CNN, but the other channel.


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I haven't been watching the news lately.

The last time it was an accident. I fell asleep on the couch, woke up and rolled onto my remote. It must have been at breaking news about the earthquake because that's what they were talking about as if it had just happened.

I turned it off, and rolled back to sleep.

Until I saw this thread, I thought I was dreaming about the Pakistan earthquake.
Was all very surreal.

Been reading the news lately in its various forms...I find for such an extremely sensitive person as myself, cable and network news are not something that are healthy for me.

Been reading this book "Fear Less: real truth about risk, safety, and security in a time of terrorism... by Gavin de Becker....some big mucky muck in the military industrial complex. He gives 4 guidelines for getting news.

Terror-free guidelines
1) Turn off the sensational, uninspirational, uneducational, privacy-meddling, death-peddling, celebrity-snooping, helicopter-swooping, flesh-eating, rumor-repeating, minicamtoting, fear-promoting TV news.

If we turn if off, then we can face the important question, which is not how we might die, but rather, How shall we live? And that is up to us.

2) Keep the Tv news off at least long enough to see-- as you will--that you're not missing anything, and that you are feeling happier, more courageous, more connected to the people you've chosen to have in your life, and, perhaps surprisingly, better informed.

3) Get your information in print. Read.
When you read something, you decide how scary or alarming or calming it will be. When you read what someone has written, you get the benefit of that person's having had a second to take a breath, a moment to think.

4) Get information -- don't let information get you. If you're interested in something, do research.

5) Talk to people in your life about world and local events. Tv news imitates human interaction, right down to the chummy banter, when in fact it is preventing human interaction. (hmmmmm much like a message board, perhaps? just a thought )


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Well, I go for months without turning that trap on (I think that is very well known by some people here), but I was looking for a little further information on what I read about in the printed news. I'm in favour of people turning off their televisions. Gavin de Becker sounds like my kind of author. I guess he was just published first.

My question regarding the lack of coverage on CNN was really just to point out that something is amiss. Perhaps the reason why it isn't receiving 24 hour coverage has something to do with, well, because it just isn't western enough.

The people in Asia aren't rich, celebrities, brainwashed, superficial, must-have-it-all mentality, love me, look-at-me, worship me, pieces of plastic. In essence, the western media thinks they are boring humans and covering any devastation that affects their lives would just be crowding up the western gluttonous airwaves.

Individuals and whole countries offered aid to the richest and most powerful nation in the world when Katrina hit, and rightfully so. I hope the same efforts will be extended toward the "less important" Asians who are suffering now.


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a message board is a step above news imho



if I ever have the opportunity, I am going to run a Public Service Announcement that says the following:

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Turn off your TV!



wtf are you doing???

Turn off your TV!!!


my favorite channel is 'OFF'


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my favorite channel is 'OFF'


That's my favourite channel, too. Did you happen to watch it last night?

I am going to start an awards ceremony celebrating the best non-television entertainment ever!


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My question regarding the lack of coverage on CNN was really just to point out that something is amiss. Perhaps the reason why it isn't receiving 24 hour coverage has something to do with, well, because it just isn't western enough.

The people in Asia aren't rich, celebrities, brainwashed, superficial, must-have-it-all mentality, love me, look-at-me, worship me, pieces of plastic. In essence, the western media thinks they are boring humans and covering any devastation that affects their lives would just be crowding up the western gluttonous airwaves.

Individuals and whole countries offered aid to the richest and most powerful nation in the world when Katrina hit, and rightfully so. I hope the same efforts will be extended toward the "less important" Asians who are suffering now.


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CNN was covering it. Not the prime time CNN, but the other channel.


We have two CNN channels in the states....sounds like the headline news channel was covering it.

If they can make money off it...it will be shown...our culture is getting addicted to disasters now...as if we weren't already...there will be enough fodder for that....


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Yeah, I just turned on CNN headline news....they're talking about the earthquake.

Now, talking about Guatemalan mud slides.

Disaster everywhere....

snowstorm tonight here and a drive into my first day at this new job through slush and with bald tires.

Disaster waiting to happen!


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New job? Congratulations!

Snow already? Lucky you!

Hmmmm, I think we have two CNN channels here.

It's really hard to believe all of the natural disasters that have happened this year. It's just one after another.


Please drive very SLOWLY.


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[QUOTE]the_way_it_is said this in post #11 :
My question regarding the lack of coverage on CNN was really just to point out that something is amiss. Perhaps the reason why it isn't receiving 24 hour coverage has something to do with, well, because it just isn't western enough.

In the UK we seem to have had a lot of coverage of this tragedy, I can't thnk why CNN is not covering it I mena this is not a minor earthquake we are talking disaster, death and destruction over a massive scale.

At least the governments of the world are not ignoring this event. Rescue teams from France, Germany, Japan and I think Austarlia are expected to join the British and domestic search and rescue teams later on today. also governments are beginning to raise the issue of financial relief and working out how much to give.


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Assalamu Alaikum,
Can CNN show more fotage then Pakistani TV?? they can't, cuz they dont have means, can u imagine by just reading someone elses thoughts? Ask somone who saw the places before they have been devestated by the quake, imagine the most beautiful scenery , the place that you would think as Paradise and now its like ruins, time was 8.50, schools were complete filled, think as how the childrens were? they cant even get the bodies out of the rubble, on our tv channels they show fottage that they wouldn't show on cnn, an old man who was beating himself saying i am the only one left , i am the only one left, his whole family was dead, and now its raining hard their with small hailstones, how do you think the people who had survived be living? could they have time to snatch something and escape their homes? they dont have anything except the clothes on their back.
How can other people feel the anguish a mother feels when she couldn't even find her childs body even after 3 or 4 days? to whom would a child look for when he is the only one left? Can u think place as beautiful as paradise turn as ancient ruins? the sweet smell of morning air that used to be there all day now stenched with the disgusting smell of rotting bodies under the rubble?
You would say why dont they dig out the deads and bury them? how can u dig out a body with bare hands? ppl have been doing it in all over the places but without food how much can u do? you have to have strength to do this, and where can u find strength to look for your loved ones, who your mind say are dead but your heart wants them alive? How could bare hands removed debris only heavy machinery could lift? you would say why dont they use heavy machinery?? How can they they dont have them.. roads are blocked with landslides etc. helicopters can lift heavy machinery?? we are not 1st world country, we need help, Katrina did damage in 1st world country , what about us? after 2 days world started ? what did ppl do for those 2 days? some of the peoples are still being rescued even after 72 hours buried alive in debris.
Some would say they should have preprations of these sort of things, how can we ? You prepare for something you know might have a chance of happening, but it doesn't happen like this at this scale. should we prepare for alien invasion also? for Sky Falling on our heads (joke) this is not about prepration. People would say Wrath of Allah, ofcourse i think it that also, but what can anybody do if this sort of thing happen?
They dont even have cloth to wrap the bodies of the dead to bury... People want to bury their loved ones, but you have to have to find the body to bury.

HOW WOULD YOU FEEL?? if something like this might happen to YOU?
You wouldnt' want to imagine would you? i couldn't even watch the footage and voices on tv, just had to leave the room, can u blame anybody for this?

One thing you could do, Pray for them and donate something, anything for them. when u read that this country donated this much etc. do you suppose the people of that country are donating or is it just the government? Our city Karachi, have given so much that i had heard that whole markets ran out of milk cartons in some posh areas, not a single loaf of bread, biscuit packet, juice carton etc was on racks of shops for consumers, where had these things gone? people had bought anything they could find and donated them to relief camps, i had heard biscuit factories had donated whole containers of they products to be supplied, garment manufacturer had donated supplies so much that they would make millions on it, but allas i feel that being 3rd world country some of the goods might not reach the needy (its a fact why hide it) but still i do hope and pray that most of the things would reach the needey peoples, imagine that people who were living under a roof now living under the stars, with nothing else? Makes you cry doesn't it? if u have a heart in your chest you would, if it doesn't it might if u see those people who had survied with your own eyes.
enough blabbing from 1 person, here are some real reports of this its long but its the latest report, if u can plz read through it. thank you.
If anybody would have some donations to make, i would get some information about how it could be done, but even telling about it to other people so they might tell others maybe something could happen.

If u would have some money u were hoping to give to charity, plz find a way to if u can to send it here, I am not saying we are the only one in need of aid, but at the moment it does feel like this for us. If you would want to get more information about how its all going, go to www.geo.tv its one of the good news channel of pakistan, the report was taken from their site, on 12.10.05
(p.s. i know some people might not like this post, but u can have your say cant you??)
Allah Hafiz, May Allah Have mercy on those people who have suffered and on all of us also, Aameen

MUZAFFARABAD: Three days after the devastating earthquake, relief efforts remained chaotic on Tuesday despite huge aid pledges and UN officials said hopes were fading for those trapped in flattened towns and villages.

Little emergency supplies have reached desperate survivors due to blocked roads and shortages of aircraft, particularly helicopters. Some of the hardest-hit areas received their first aid on Tuesday as more helicopters joined the operation, but flights had to be halted for several hours due to torrential rains and hailstorms that added to the misery on the ground.

Huddling under bits of plastic, survivors in quake-hit Muzaffarabad faced fresh heartbreak on Tuesday as torrential rain halted aid efforts hours after they got into gear. Helicopters were forced to stop their mercy flights bringing aid to the Azad Kashmir capital and evacuating the worst of the injured from Saturday?s 7.6-magnitude quake to hospitals in Islamabad, officials said.

Soldiers temporarily gave up the grim task of gathering corpses from the streets, while private relief groups halted the distribution of food, blankets, clothing and water to victims of the devastation.

Officials in the worst-hit areas of Azad Kashmir and North West Frontier Province say the disaster may have claimed up to 40,000 lives. "Things are improving, but in the areas rescue teams have not yet been able to reach hope basically is fading," said the official who did not want to be identified.

"It?s getting close to 72 hours and those who are not pulled out by tomorrow (Wednesday), the chances of survival is very much reduced." Medical experts say an unhurt man can last three days without water and a woman four days, although in such disasters there are often stories of miraculous survival.

UN officials estimate the quake has left up to a million people homeless and threatened by disease in Pakistan, while 3 million need assistance, many of them children. Survivors from remote towns and villages said the only aid they had seen had been on television. "There are bodies everywhere and those who are injured don?t have a drop of water," said Nasar Ahmad, carrying his injured young niece on his back into Muzaffarabad.

Tens of thousands have been forced to camp out on chilly autumn nights, sometimes in driving rain, surrounded by decaying bodies and broken sewerage systems. Some citizens of once picturesque Muzaffarabad, where the smell of decaying bodies hangs over much of the city, have had enough and thousands are leaving for the safer lowlands. Many on both sides of the Line of Control are frantically waiting to hear if their relatives on the other side survived.

The United Nations warned of risks of cholera and pneumonia and Muzaffarabad?s health director Khawaja Shabbir said malaria and other diseases were already breaking out, with hospitals wrecked and many doctors dead. "We?re helpless in handling it on our own as right now we don?t have a single hospital left in Muzaffarabad, no medicine, no paramedic staff, nothing," he said.

Medical charity Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) warned on Tuesday there was a risk of an epidemic of water-borne disease in Muzaffarabad. The Paris-based aid group?s chief in Islamabad, Isabelle Simpson, said water supplies could become contaminated because of quake damage, "which is why we worry that that could lead then to outbreaks of other water-borne diseases". "Especially as very few people have shelter up there, they?re crowding into homes and camp-type situations, so there?s a lot of potential for health risks," she told AFP.

US Chinook helicopters had been landing at regular intervals at the University Stadium in the centre of the rubble-reduced Muzaffarabad. At what is left of Shaukat Line Army Base, they brought supplies, mainly wheat but also lentils, biscuits, cooking oil, sugar and tents. Many private organisations from throughout Pakistan were sending in truckloads of items such as water, mattresses, tents and medical supplies which were being distributed on the roadside.

Scuffles broke out among survivors as limited aid efforts finally got under way. The short-lived fighting broke out as hundreds of people who have taken refuge at a stadium scrambled for supplies of milk and biscuits being thrown down to them by police atop a van.

Later, police were pushed and shoved after they ran out of blankets they were distributing to families with babies. "There have been some scuffles and some fighting but we are sorting this out," Assistant Superintendent of Police Naeem Rashid told AFP. "When there is more supply things will go smoother."

Many people were still digging through the rubble on Tuesday in search of the bodies of family members, few believe anyone is still alive under the hills of horror that were once their homes. In a grim reminder of the scale of the destruction, bodies lined the streets wrapped in blankets and buzzing with flies as soldiers wearing face masks and gloves started the noxious task of gathering them for burial.

In the alleys of the main Medina market, once the bustling centre of the city but now a stomach-heaving mass of rotting food, decaying meat and ruined shops and stalls, the soldiers stumbled over bricks and became entangled in a spaghetti of broken cables as they carried the bodies on charpoys.

Traders at the market, meanwhile, complained that their shops had been looted by "outsiders"-non-Kashmiris-who had taken advantage of the turmoil to run off with whatever goods survived the earthquake. "I ran a communications shop," said Shaheen Iqbal. "All the mobiles that were not damaged were stolen. I am left with nothing." ?Agencies

Mohammad Ali Khan adds from Peshawar: The official death toll from the earthquake in the NWFP reached 4,748 on Tuesday with 8,970 reported injured, however, the provincial government fears thousands of more deaths in the days to come.

Briefing newsmen about the latest reports and ongoing rescue operations in the worst-hit earthquake areas of the province, provincial Information Minister Asif Iqbal Daudzai said the officially claimed death toll comprises only those, who were properly reported by the concerned police stations.

He explained that as a large portion of Mansehra, Battagram, Shangla, Abbottabad, Kohistan and Swat districts are still inaccessible owing to bad weather and limited resources, the death toll there could be higher than estimates.

District-wise reported deaths and injuries till Tuesday were 3,000 deaths and 3,005 injuries in Mansehra district, 800 deaths and 4,500 injuries in Battagram, 289 deaths and 327 injuries in Shangla, 515 deaths and 830 injuries in Abbottabad, six deaths and 69 injuries in Swat, three deaths and nine injuries in Peshawar, three deaths and 20 injuries in Buner, 22 injuries in Charsadda, one death and 25 injuries in Mardan and two injuries in district Nowshera.

The minister said relief operations in worst-hit areas like Balakot, Battal, Garhi Habibullah, Pattan, Ogi, Kaghan and Kui were in progress, adding total 15 dispatches of relief goods and medicines had so far taken place through four helicopters available to the provincial government.

He informed the provincial government was facing acute shortage of tents and it had taken up the matter with the federal government for provision of tents in large quantity.


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A World Turned Upside Down
The aftershocks of Pakistan's temblor will be felt for years.


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Thank you for sharing all of that with us, Imran. It is devastation that I can't even begin to comprehend.

Here are a few links to charitable organizations accepting donations for aid:

www.concern.net/overseas/programmef..._earthquake.php


www.doctorswithoutborders.org/msfoffices.cfm


www.directrelief.org/sections/our_w...earthquake.html


www.savethechildren.org/emergencies...npub=x_ggsae_pr


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