However, because that baby has to grow inside the woman, you have to understand that the woman ultimately deserves the choice especially because this is a medical decision whether we like it or not; and when we try to legislate that, we end up opening it up to people that use abortion as a convenience measure, but that's a price I am willing to keep it as a tool when it isn't about shirking your responsibility.
I think death for the baby is too high a price to pay to keep abortion legal for those who don't use it for convenience. Like I said, I don't want mothers dying, I don't want ANYONE dying.
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I still feel we need to focus on the people we have here and now, and that's something that requires more of our focus. Focus on something like poverty alone and providing support for the poor will be instrumental in decreasing the number of abortions.
I agree we need to focus and value all human life and give support when people need it!
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I think we need to pay attention to why people have abortions and if you look, they have been in a downward trend this past decade (1990's). I believe education is instrumental in that, but I think more needs to go into teaching about responsibility for one's actions, but that really is a societal attitude that the government can't change and shouldn't, that is up to us.
Well, definitely the parents' should be the primary teachers to their children about respecting ones self and the responsibility that sex brings. School health classes should teach of the consequences, too. I don't see why this can't be done while giving the unborn children the distinction of being a protected citizen though.
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And some women aren't responsbile, but I don't want to punish that woman by making her have a baby because I think you'll be punishing more than one person in that case.
It's not a punishment, it is a life affirming action to give birth. Abortion on the other hand is the ultimate punishment to a child whose only fault was being conceived. Doesn't seem to be a fair punishment to me.
You may not see forcing a woman to give birth to a child as a punishment, but she will definitely see it that way, especially if she is poor. Making abortion illegal does notihing more than try to legislate moralities and it takes away a woman's decision to choose. No matter action, convenience abortions have to be accepted in order to protect the women that would die during pregnancy because of legislation that created red tape to their medical care.
I don't understand what is wrong with health classes as they are now because a lot reinforcement about don't have sex if you're not ready, understanding the consequence of your actions, all that is there, schools aren't teaching students how to have sex.
But I don't think fetal citizenship is the answer, I don't think it will do what you want and it will be nothing more than a legal headache because if you really look at what it does, you'll realize that things like equal protections for the woman or fetus will be far too conditional and will end up in inequity in rights. The fetus is a human, but I think legal rights should come when they are born. The reason why people like Scott Peterson are charged with two murders is that the murder of his wife induced the discharge of the fetus, and then it died, that ws the usual for charging two murders. When you see politicians making laws about killing pregnant women, it is nothing more an attempt to go after the right to choose so i always see it as a non-argument.
The legal rights of the baby should come about when it can exist as a separate entity from the mother. We should work to decrease the number of abortions, but making laws will not do that.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
- Bill Cosby
The guy who takes a chance, who walks the line between the known and unknown, who is unafraid of failure, will succeed.
- Gordon Parks
Really, my hope in giving citizenship to the unborn is to make the statement that they are human beings and deserve to be treated with respect. If we as a society all come to that realization then I feel fewer unplanned pregnancies will even begin because the magnitude of the consequences will be evident.
This brings back the debate, what if the woman gets raped and becomes pregnant, she should have a choice to have an abortion or not. What if there are complications in the delivery room and there is a choice between the mother and the child, if they choose the child, is the child going to be held for murder charges, ABSURD. Too many whatif's let abortion stay and have restrictions on it, but there should be a choice due to different circumstances.
Ollie23 said this in post #79 : This brings back the debate, what if the woman gets raped and becomes pregnant, she should have a choice to have an abortion or not. What if there are complications in the delivery room and there is a choice between the mother and the child, if they choose the child, is the child going to be held for murder charges, ABSURD. Too many whatif's let abortion stay and have restrictions on it, but there should be a choice due to different circumstances.
I focus on the life conceived, and it is no less valuable because it was conceived by rape. That is why I cannot justify making that exception. Instead, make prosecution of rapists that cause a pregnancy even harsher than a rape without a pregnancy.
There is legislation in the House, the Right to Life Act of 2005, which gives constitutional protection to the unborn.
09-03-2005 03:40 AM
and pray it becomes law!
