brochu wrote
You can't give any redibility to MJ, that's for sure, not when these types of cases keep popping up. There is no mistaking, these things don't "just happen" when you are in "oops!" situations or something. It's not a chance thing, there has to be a reason this has happened more than once.
That’s true brochu but have you considered this? MJ was told to stop sleeping with children, even if they were innocent sleepovers. MJ refused to do that. Now with the amount of children running around that ranch you don’t believe that there could have been some corruption amongst any of them?
If any grown behind man sleeps with a child, innocent or not, this is bound to be outcome of such an absurd behavior and I guarantee, it WILL keep popping up. MJ was too stupid to understand that the society doesn’t want to hear how “loving” it is to sleep with kids because it’s inappropriate. I believe he’s paid his cable bill because I’m sure he got the picture now.
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Gotta love these after verdict jokes. (Hmm...I thought Jay Leno was his pal...guess Jay uses him as well).
Some of them are just comments...most of them were made by Jay Leno...absolutely hilarious!!
"Good news for Michael Jackson, not guilty on ten counts! The bad news -- he's going to Disneyland!" --Jay Leno
"It's like they always say, if you're rich and white, you can get away with anything." --Jimmy Kimmel, on the Michael Jackson verdict
"Johnny Cochran died and had a funeral. You know who was at the funeral -- both O.J. Simpson and Michael Jackson. In fact, Michael cornered O.J. and said, 'How do you get stains off a glove?'" --Bill Maher
"Michael Jackson was caught on tape saying he was a virgin until he was the age of 32. I mean, is that really shocking? I mean, he was a black man guy 'til he was 35." --Jay Leno
"Michael brought his personal magician into court with him. Good to see this thing doesn't turn into a circus. I guess the magician's job at Neverland was to make the young boy's pants disappear." --Jay Leno
"According to the news, Michael Jackson is broke and can't even afford the payroll at Neverland Ranch. So the next time you see Michael with his hands in a 12-year-old's pocket, he might just be looking for lunch money." --Jay Leno
Michael Jackson, late for court again today, you know, because of his bad back. Well, you'd have a bad back too if every conversation you had in your life involved having to bend over and ask, "What's your name?" --Jay Leno
"A lot of people think Michael may be suicidal. That's the latest theory. Just last night he swallowed an entire bottle of Flintstone Chewables." --Jay Leno
"A lot of people thought Michael Jackson was faking it yesterday but people who know Michael say he does have back problems that flare up from time to time. Like when he's on trial for child molestation." --Jay Leno
"Michael Jackson claims that his partners would sleep in the bed, while he slept on the floor. You know, it's the same arrangement the Clintons had." --Jay Leno
"Michael Jackson now using the internet to communicate with his fans. Which makes sense, that’s how he met most of 'em." —Jay Leno
"After turning himself in yesterday, Michael Jackson was placed in handcuffs. I think he helped his case when he asked 'These are neat, do they come in smaller sizes?" —Jay Leno
"Michael Jackson announced this week that the Neverland Ranch is no longer home to him. He said he can’t go back there. Which of course is really bad news for the kids locked in the crawlspace." —Jay Leno
"Michael Jackson was arrested yesterday. According to the Santa Barbara Police, Michael Jackson is 5'11 and only weighs 120 pounds. Michael is able to keep his weight down because he only orders off the children's menu." —Conan O'Brien
"Michael says he is going to fight these charges tooth and nail — because those are the only real body parts he has left." —Jay Leno
" I guess they got Michael on that new law — 3 tykes and you're out." —Jay Leno
"His bail was set at $3 million dollars because he is considered a flight risk. Cause, you know, he could run off anywhere and blend right in." —David Letterman
"I guess they had 60 federal investigators going over the Neverland Ranch property for 12 hours and didn't find anything. But they did turn up OJ's knife." —David Letterman
"Earlier today, police raided the Neverland ranch. Michael Jackson was so upset he dangled himself over a balcony." —Craig Kilborn
Of course thats just my opinion....I could be wrong. (Dennis Miller)
"You might be the toughest little whacker. . .but in my world, you're about as worrisome as a cloudy day." (Dutch Dooley)
That’s true brochu but have you considered this? MJ was told to stop sleeping with children, even if they were innocent sleepovers. MJ refused to do that. Now with the amount of children running around that ranch you don’t believe that there could have been some corruption amongst any of them?
If any grown behind man sleeps with a child, innocent or not, this is bound to be outcome of such an absurd behavior and I guarantee, it WILL keep popping up. MJ was too stupid to understand that the society doesn’t want to hear how “loving” it is to sleep with kids because it’s inappropriate. I believe he’s paid his cable bill because I’m sure he got the picture now.
i can't help but wonder if things might not sit differently in your mind if the mother never testified and the family history was not there. to see jackson as innocent you'd have to distrust all the other evidence, including eyewitness reports by employees. the defense, btw, always conveniently characterizes testimony from former employees as 'disgruntled employees'. hence, if an ex-employee witnessed his employer murder someone, he's going to risk going to jail for perjury because he's disgruntled and wants revenge.
there were so many things that pointed to guilt, just as there were in the oj trial (and to a lesser extent, the blake trial) that it's ludicrous to discount every one of them (including even the OBVIOUS wrongdoings) because the jury hated the mother and confused the living daylights out of the kid as to how to tell his true story.
no matter how you slice it, the vast majority of americans believe he's guilty. the majority of the legal pundits were expecting a conviction on at least some of the counts, and all you can point to is reasonable doubt. i'm a reasonable person...always have been...but i have serious doubts about the validity of the verdict, to put it mildly. the verdict was predicated on the literal rules of criminal justice. that's very often quite different from what really happened. in this case, a child molester walks free. most know that deep down. you're in the minority on this one.
Jim wrote
i can't help but wonder if things might not sit differently in your mind if the mother never testified and the family history was not there.
If that kid and his family didn’t have the history they have then of course that would make the boy more believable. I would still be puzzled by this story however had he told it the same way. I mean being held captive, being molested after all that attention was focused on MJ, being molested after the investigation was started by Sneddon. I mean though I’d be less inclined to believe he was lying but I’d surely be wondering about that storyline.
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to see jackson as innocent you'd have to distrust all the other evidence, including eyewitness reports by employees. the defense, btw, always conveniently characterizes testimony from former employees as 'disgruntled employees'. hence, if an ex-employee witnessed his employer murder someone, he's going to risk going to jail for perjury because he's disgruntled and wants revenge.
Let’s look at this a bit closer Jim. These employees sued MJ in the past for millions and not only did they lose, they were found to by lying and ordered to pay MJ’s legal expenses. That alone should have told Sneddon it was ridiculous to put them on the stand but he did. I’d call them disgruntled if I do say so myself. They tell of tales of MJ molesting the boy in full view in his yard. When asked if they paid MJ’s legal bills they said no, they filed bankruptcy.
We won’t even talk of the one who was to testify and got arrested for armed robbery in Vegas prior to testifying.
All this leads me to believe the Sned’s case was so weak that he had to put on characters like this to get the jury to hear the accusations. How else is this to be explained and we are to believe them as credible?
Let’s not talk about the witnesses who said MJ molested boys only to have those boys (now men) come into court and say it never happened. One can’t help but to wonder if there was a case at all.
MYSTIC, those jokes are hilarious.
Governor Bush on Kosovo war exit strategy in 99 ” Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
President Bush on Iraq war exit strategy from 2003 to 2008. “ “
That’s true brochu but have you considered this? MJ was told to stop sleeping with children, even if they were innocent sleepovers. MJ refused to do that. Now with the amount of children running around that ranch you don’t believe that there could have been some corruption amongst any of them?
If any grown behind man sleeps with a child, innocent or not, this is bound to be outcome of such an absurd behavior and I guarantee, it WILL keep popping up. MJ was too stupid to understand that the society doesn’t want to hear how “loving” it is to sleep with kids because it’s inappropriate. I believe he’s paid his cable bill because I’m sure he got the picture now.
I understand what you are saying, but do you really think that kids understand the gravity and seriousness or do you think they can even fathom why to lie about being molested? Do you really think they are capable of it? I'd like to think they are not, maybe I am wrong.
Sure I understand that brochu but considering the accuser’s history and influence from his mother, don’t you think there are other children out there that are just as confused and misled?
One of the things that I don’t understand is this. MJ has been sleeping with children for more than 2 decades. Now if he’s a pedophile (some say uncontrollably) then why is it that there are only 2 other victims given all the children he slept with? And before some says that “maybe” all of them didn’t come forward, I find that highly unlikely, especially in light of this trail that just concluded.
Let’s give MJ the benefit for one moment. If he’s innocent as he says he is and is just a big kid at heart, if any child make those accusations, wouldn’t he look just as guilty? And how is it that he only feels them (the children) up and never tries to have sex with them? With all that temptation going on for years and year, MJ is content with copping a feel here and there? I don’t think a pedophile could just be content with that, especially since he’s so uncontrollable as to jerk the boy off even after Sned started his investigation.
Governor Bush on Kosovo war exit strategy in 99 ” Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
President Bush on Iraq war exit strategy from 2003 to 2008. “ “
I think that there could be some influence by the mother, but I just don't see it happening on a large scale. This one clearly seems to have been led down that path though.
You make a point here though, it is interesting that we've only seen a few over the years. Perhaps he doesn't do it to all of them, perhaps he paid others off. Maybe he did nothing.
Neverhteless, sleeping in the same bed with boys at that age is deranged enough for me.
06-15-2005 01:03 AM
