I had the hardest time getting this to work. Occasionally I scan these pages to check up on ya Really should straighten lodgebo out on this one. Actually, I think I will.....
You are way off base here Lodgebo. When you say that
" killing a person in Islam is wrong" or
"it is strictly agianst the Muslim faith to commit suicide for any reasons",
what are you basing that on?
Muhammed wanted to commit suicide several times according to the oldest manuscripts. And since "killing is a small matter" to Muslims and they are most rewarded by Allah when they do kill innocent people, and are given the keys to paradise when they kill infidels, and since fighting in Allah's cause is given the highest honor (more than prayer) from Allah, how can you support your claim?
I suggest you read Ishaq's biography of that despicable character Muhammed, and Tabari's history and formation of Islam before concluding anything further. Afterward, read Bukhari and Muslim's haddith collections and follow that by the Qur'an. When...errrr...if.. you do, you will never say
"we have got terrorists using the Muslim faith as some sort of weird justification for thier actions."
because you will understand that Muhammed himself was a terrorist of the worst kind, and Muslims are ordered to follow his example. He killed a higher percentage of Jews within his reach than did Adolph Hitler. You will then understand why Muslims occupy the least hospitable , the least productive, least moral, least prosperous, and least free places on earth. You will finally understand why they kill, why they blow themselves up, why they celebrate death, why they kill other Muslims, why they don't denounce terrorism, and what the end goal is. You will become disgusted with every form of media outlet because there isn't one person in America willing to tell it the way it is. And that is precisely why America will be drilled again..and again. And when, not if, that happens, watch how joyous the Muslims are around the world. Watch them praise Allah for killing women and children. Watch as Imams and cleric give verse after verse to condone , and justify the act and the verses of praise and reward for the ones who gave their life for "Allah's cause". Yes, Lodgebo, all the "true" Muslims will be blissfull in their hearts and they will find the act courageous ,brave, and fully in accordance with Muhammeds actions and Allah's words. So, this statement
"Any true Muslim would find thier actions disgusting."
Hey devildog long time no see, things started fading without ya
Re business, lately a big group of american and british muslim mullas or scholars has issued a fatwa denying terrorism, in the meaning of killing of civilians. Some of them, have, however, argued that fighting the US soldiers in Iraq is just cuz US is "occupational force". They did not elaborate whether its justified to kill 20 iraqi children in order to wound 2 american soldiers. Neither they commented on the fact that so called "insurgents" cause more death among civilians than coalition and themselves together.
Hello MrJukovete,
Indeed it has been long, but I have been busy. At times, I would check in real fast and see what was happening, but it seemed very slow. This place needs someone to stir it up a little .
I'd like to see them issue that fatwa within an Islamic country.
They would read the American and British Islamic scholars the 33rd sura from the Qur'an( literal word of god), where it orders Muslims to follow the example of Muhammed. Followed by:
“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.’”
and perhaps
“I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
and
“Allah said, ‘No Prophet before Muhammad took booty from his enemy nor prisoners for ransom.’ Muhammad said, ‘I was made victorious with terror. The earth was made a place for me to clean. I was given the most powerful words. Booty was made lawful for me. I was given the power to intercede. These five privileges were awarded to no prophet before me.’”
and then they would kill the hypocrite American and British Muslims as it is ordered to them .
That is why Muhammed was such a scumbag. Men have been thiefs, pedophiles, slave traders and liars before. Men have plundered before. Men have robbed before. Men have murdered before. Muhammed was all of these things and more wrapped up in one package. He was a murderous, ruthless, terrorist to be sure, but his most vial act was attributing this covetous behavior to a deity.
Only a demented mind would invent a spirit capable of saying:
“‘God’ drove the unbelievers back in fury, and they gained no advantage. Allah was sufficient to help the believers in battle. He made the People of the Book descend from their homes, and He terrorized them, so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their property, homes, wealth, and a country you had not trodden under foot before.”
So, Allah helps Muslims kill Jews(people of the book). Other places in the Qur'an say that Allah sent "angels" to behead non believers. Allah wants Muslims to kill them, and take their booty. It says the same about taking their women.
So when the Islamic world’s leading imam gives a speech and says:
“O, Muslims, don’t take Jews and Christians as allies. Muslim brothers in Palestine do not have any mercy or compassion on the Jews, their blood, their money, or their flesh. Their women are yours to take, legitimately. Allah made them yours. Why don’t you enslave their women? Why don’t you wage jihad? Why don’t you pillage them?”
Really should straighten lodgebo out on this one. 
Actually, I think I will.....
08-01-2005 07:48 PM
