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Humans are Becoming Genetically Less Intelligent post #1  quote:



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1. Human intelligence is largely hereditary.

2. Civilization depends totally upon innate intelligence. Without innate intelligence, civilization would never have been created. When intelligence declines, so does civilization.

3. The higher the level of civilization, the better off the population. Civilization is not an either-or proposition. Rather, it's a matter of degree, and each degree, up or down, affects the well-being of every citizen.

4. At the present time, we are evolving to become less intelligent with each new generation. Why is this happening? Simple: the least-intelligent people are having the most children.

5. Unless we halt or reverse this trend, our civilization will invariably decline. Any decline in civilization produces a commensurate increase in the collective "misery quotient."

Logic and scientific evidence stand behind each statement listed above.

So, what are your thoughts?


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The inheritance of intelligence may be largely passed on through behavior, not genes.

keep that in mind.


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now think about the fact that with each passing generation, kids grow up watching more and more TV. Playing more and more video games. Not only does this indoctrinate them with sort of a spoiled-brattedness that has been adequately dubbed "The Happy Meal Generation" (thanks HECK), but it lowers their attention span to be unable to recieve any information than 15 minute sound bytes. And it has to be entertaining too.

Not to mention kids that show any behavior that is at all odd (which are often the gifted students) are sent to the psychologist and prescribed speed to take daily for what... 10 years? I'm in college and I know some peeps who still take Ridelin.

Could it be our mainstream culture that is degrading the individual intellect, and not the other way around?


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Thank you for the response. Regarding IQ, it is now universally accepted among brain scientists that it has a heritability rate of 80%. So, that only leaves us with 20% to work with on an environmental level. The thing is that to date, only improving nutrition has been shown to maximize that 20%, as well as ensuring a good fetal environment (not drinking or smoking when baby is in the womb), and breast-feeding babies also has shown to increase IQ. But, what about the constraining 80% of genetic IQ that can't be touched? If this is the part that is deteriorating, then society is in trouble.

Regards.


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Someone mentioned to me that the average IQ of the human race is only 80.

Does IQ improve, ever? Does anyone know?


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it may be "universally accepted" by scientists, but I don't believe it for a second.

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Now we know where we fit into this world post #7  quote:

What Does Adult IQ Mean?
Generally, one's mental age stops rising rapidly when one reaches the latter teens--e. g., 16. Consequently, on some IQ tests, "16" was taken as the chronological-age divisor in an IQ calculation for adults. The Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale is calibrated for all ages up to 70, with chronological-age divisors appropriate to every age 70 or below.
The average IQ is, by definition, 100. To get an idea what this means, someone with an IQ of 80 or below is considered to be marginally able to cope with the adult world. People with IQ's of 80 or below typically work as unskilled laborers such as lawn maintenance and trash pickup. They generally need help from friends or family to manage life's complications. About 10% of the population has an IQ of 80 or below.
People with IQ's of 80-90 are a little on the slow side but may be found in fast-food restaurants, day-care centers, etc. They may also be found in unskilled jobs. About 16% of the population has IQ's in this range.
People with IQ's of 90-110 generally occupy semi-skilled positions, including typists, receptionists, assembly line workers, and checkout clerks. They are able to keep up with the world, and comprise about 46% of the public.
People with IQ's in the 110 to 120 range fill the skilled trades and include some tool and die makers, teachers, and Ph. D.'s among their ranks. They also make up 16% of the population.
People with IQ's of 120 and above tend to staff the professions as doctors, dentists, lawyers, teachers, and college professors. They fall in the upper 10% of the population.

The average IQ of all college professors is 130, which lies within the upper 3% of the general public.


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But, what about the constraining 80% of genetic IQ that can't be touched? If this is the part that is deteriorating, then society is in trouble.

Regards.


This statement is highly fallacious. Genetic structure is not something immutable. Once you inherit something, changes can be made by environmental causes that can affect your genetic makeup and passed on to subsequent generations.

M.


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There are two kinds of sufferers in this world: those who suffer from a lack of life, and those who suffer from an overabundance of life. I?ve always found myself in the second category.

When you come to think of it, almost all of human behavior and activity is not essentially any different from animal behavior. The most advanced technologies and craftsmanship bring us at best up to the super-chimpanzee level. Actually, the gap between say Plato or Nietzsche and the average human is greater than the gap between that chimpanzee and the average human. The realm of the real spirit, the true artist, the saint, the philosopher, is rarely achieved.

Why so few? Why is world history and evolution not stories of progress but rather this endless and futile addition of zeroes? No greater values can develop. Hell, the Greeks 3,000 years ago were just as advanced as we are. So what are these barriers that keep people from reaching anywhere near their real potential? The answer to that can be found in another question, and that?s this:

Which is the most universal human characteristic? Fear or laziness?

--Louis Mackey from the movie Waking Life


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my dad read a book called Nature vs. Nurture. It was about what things are affected by genetics and what things are changed by environment. He recommended it to me but i haven't read it yet.

One thing he told me was that when they took children who had "dumb" parents (IQ score is what they went by i believe) who were living with foster parents who were smart, like teachers and scientists, the children would still tend to not have interest in things like science and math and would get bad grades and have trouble learning in class, even though the foster parents would make them study and do their homework and surround them with knowledge. Some of the foster children would get good grades in school and learn what they needed to learn, but after they moved out, they would tend to stop learning and go back to their dumb ways. Thankfully i don't have the dumb gene but it's interesting that people who aren't smart, can't really help, or they don't want to help it, because of their genes. It almost makes me want to give them more respect seeing that it's not really their fault, but they're still dumb, and therefore, they're still annoying.


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I am not arguing that predisposition is not there. But it cannot be said that the genetic structure inherited from the parents is immutable and that children born of parents of lesser intelligence will remain dumb.

M.


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Re: Humans are Becoming Genetically Less Intelligent post #12  quote:

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http://www.neoeugenics.com/

4. At the present time, we are evolving to become less intelligent with each new generation. Why is this happening? Simple: the least-intelligent people are having the most children.

Logic and scientific evidence stand behind each statement listed above.

So, what are your thoughts?


I am highly evolved.
I don't have any thoughts.

I wonder how highly evolved this person is who came up with this logical and scientific data and analysis?


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--Louis Mackey from the movie Waking Life



Women who lie!!They are the underlying cause of human relapsement in lieu of advancement.

A "Beckerism."


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I am highly evolved.
I don't have any thoughts.

I wonder how highly evolved this person is who came up with this logical and scientific data and analysis?





Probably some lying cheating woman!


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Im sorry...I dont get the "dumb gene" comment. What's that all about?

Many geniuses have been born from normal parents.

In order to have a child with a gene that becomes dominant, one of the parents must be a carrier of the gene. If neither parent had a carrier gene, then the kid wont have it either.

Simple biology.

Just because people arent carriers of this "Genius" gene doesnt mean that people will forever be stupid.

Alot of it is just how one uses their brain and how one processes the information.

Alot of it has to do with how a child is taught to study and the parents involvement in their education.

To claim that it is strictly genetic is absurd!

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Thankfully i don't have the dumb gene but it's interesting that people who aren't smart, can't really help, or they don't want to help it, because of their genes. It almost makes me want to give them more respect seeing that it's not really their fault, but they're still dumb, and therefore, they're still annoying.


Ridiculous comment! This lacks complete intellegence.

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I wonder how highly evolved this person is who came up with this logical and scientific data and analysis?


I wonder myself. I would have to imagine that alot of it came from T-Un1t's dad.


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Im sorry...I dont get the "dumb gene" comment. What's that all about?

Many geniuses have been born from normal parents.

In order to have a child with a gene that becomes dominant, one of the parents must be a carrier of the gene. If neither parent had a carrier gene, then the kid wont have it either.

Simple biology.

Alot of it is just how one uses their brain and how one processes the information.


I been telling you:

It just keeps being passed down from one "Lying, cheating Woman" to another.


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Any intelligence I have has been bourne and nurtured out of mere survival.
If I hadn't been gifted with what little intelligence I have, I do believe I would have been dead at a young age, in fact I am certain of it.
And these genes will be going nowhere.


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It just keeps being passed down from one "Lying, cheating Woman" to another.


Got any facts to back that up? Heh.

Or is that maybe from previous experience? If so, couldnt that be attributed to you? I mean maybe its your dumb gene that makes the women become that way.


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it may be "universally accepted" by scientists, but I don't believe it for a second.
That's cause it's not actually universally accepted by scientists. It just holds more weight if you say scientists say so. In fact, only 30% of scientists believe the 80-20 rule, where as 40% believes that it's 50-50 and 10% believe it's 70-60...... The remaining scientists are chimpanzes and don't really have an opinion.


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Got any facts to back that up? Heh.

Or is that maybe from previous experience? If so, couldnt that be attributed to you? I mean maybe its your dumb gene that makes the women become that way.





In his book, SEX-PLOYTATI0N, Matthew Fitzgerald categorizes all women as manipulative, materialistic whores who expect men to pay their way. The thesis of his book is that women are nothing but prostitutes preying on the hard work and sexual vulnerability of men.


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In his book, SEX-PLOYTATI0N, Matthew Fitzgerald categorizes all women as manipulative, materialistic whores who expect men to pay their way. The thesis of his book is that women are nothing but prostitutes preying on the hard work and sexual vulnerability of men.


Hmmmmm, now I am a woman.
Probably the most independent and self sufficient woman you will ever meet. If God would let me I would pack it all up and sell it and move to the mountains and live in a tent for the rest of my life. And strap on the snowshoes in the winter and not bat an eye.

Sounds like this boy, Matthew Fitzwater has a few "issues." And quite possibly his readership as well.


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That's cause it's not actually universally accepted by scientists. It just holds more weight if you say scientists say so. In fact, only 30% of scientists believe the 80-20 rule, where as 40% believes that it's 50-50 and 10% believe it's 70-60...... The remaining scientists are chimpanzes and don't really have an opinion.


"4 out of 5 dentists recommend Trident sugarless gum."

This clinched it for me.
I chew bubba yubba.


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Hmmmmm, now I am a woman.
Probably the most independent and self sufficient woman you will ever meet. If God would let me I would pack it all up and sell it and move to the mountains and live in a tent for the rest of my life. And strap on the snowshoes in the winter and not bat an eye.

Sounds like this boy, Matthew Fitzwater has a few "issues." And quite possibly his readership as well.



My dear sweet T. Consider yourself exempt from this and any other comments I make about "women". Put this in your "safe" and keep it locked. Please. Please.


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My dear sweet T. Consider yourself exempt from this and any other comments I make about "women". Put this in your "safe" and keep it locked. Please. Please.


Just know you may be insulting people I care about.


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Just know you may be insulting people I care about.




My statement was not aimed at the people you care about. It's something that constantly bugs me about someone you do not know at all. So you can drop your protective shields. The ones you care about are the same ones I care about. That is a matter of total misunderstanding and I bear no grudges about it. It's now old business.


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"4 out of 5 dentists recommend Trident sugarless gum."

This clinched it for me.
I chew bubba yubba.


I thought it was Hubba Bubba?

-HECK!


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I spent six years of my childhood living a stone's throw from the bay of Houston, and the smell of fishing boats, cranes and rigging always brings back memories of the flood-prone neighborhood where even the evacuation trucks wouldn't dare enter during hurricanes. Mad magazines, Bubba Yubba gum, getting out of school and into fights with neighborhood kids, and raiding lobster traps.


I think the highlight of this man's life was Bubba Yubba gum.
And I cannot fault him for that.


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My statement was not aimed at the people you care about. It's something that constantly bugs me about someone you do not know at all. So you can drop your protective shields. The ones you care about are the same ones I care about. That is a matter of total misunderstanding and I bear no grudges about it. It's now old business.


Oh ok.
I have experienced gold diggers of both varieties (male and female) in my life...it's not a pretty sight.
The pain is felt.


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all i can say is there are people in this world (a couple sitting in the same room as me right now) who have never had, or never will have any interest in the type of knowledge that we deem as useful, i.e. Science, Math, literature, etc.

Now, according to the book that's actually titled Nature via Nurture, these people were born with this lack of intelligence. Whether that's caused by a certain gene they inherited or lack thereof is yet to be determined, but the fact is, these people were born like that. Scientists have studied these people growing up in all different environments and it's often the same outcome. I know some of you like to make yourselves feel smarter by claiming you don't believe all of these scientists' theories and following the "don't believe everything you read" idea, but i've seen with my own eyes these people who just don't have any interest in certain areas and i believe that this disinterest comes from somewhere other than your upbringing.

Also, i was browsing around amazon and came across this book that looked pretty cool called The Dependent Gene: The Fallacy of "Nature vs. Nurture" which might point out some of the flaws of the other book.


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Just because someone doesn't have the same interests as you doesn't make them less intelligent.

People value different things not because they are incapable of understanding, but simply because they are interested in other subjects.

People can be as smart as a whip in math, science, astronomy, physics (whatever you deem important) and absolutely stupid when it comes to common sense and people skills.

We are all made differently. One person is not better or more intelligent than another because we all have different gifts.

And while we are at it. Look at technology today. It's increasing all the more. Scientific/computer knowledge doubles every three months...

and yet we still kill, maim and torture one another for various reasons.
Tell me, exactly how have we evolved?

We just have more advanced ways of killing one another when a simple baseball bat can do the trick.


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