I am not the only one harping on the National ID card soon to come under the sanctions of the *new and improved* Dept. of Redundancy...
"Ron Paul Denounces National ID Card
Congressman Ron Paul today denounced the national ID card provisions contained in the intelligence bill being voted on in the U.S. House of Representatives, while urging his colleagues to reject the bill and its new layers of needless bureaucracy.
"National ID cards are not proper in a free society," Paul stated. "This is America, not Soviet Russia. The federal government should never be allowed to demand papers from American citizens, and it certainly has no constitutional authority to do so."
"A national identification card, in whatever form it may take, will allow the federal government to inappropriately monitor the movements and transactions of every American," Paul continued. "History shows that governments inevitably use such power in harmful ways. The 9-11 commission, whose recommendations underlie this bill, has called for internal screening points where identification will be demanded. Domestic travel restrictions are the hallmark of authoritarian states, not free nations. It is just a matter of time until those who refuse to carry the new licenses will be denied the ability to drive or board an airplane."
"Nationalizing standards for drivers licenses and birth certificates, and linking them together via a national database, creates a national ID system pure and simple. Proponents of the national ID understand that the public remains wary of the scheme, so they attempt to claim they're merely creating new standards for existing state IDs. Nonsense! This legislation imposes federal standards in a federal bill, and it creates a federalized ID regardless of whether the ID itself is still stamped with the name of your state." We already have national standards for drivers license since 2000....going beyond that with a National ID is over the top, to say the least.
"Those who are willing to allow the government to establish a Soviet-style internal passport system because they think it will make us safer are terribly mistaken," Paul concluded. "Subjecting every citizen to surveillance and screening points actually will make us less safe, not in the least because it will divert resources away from tracking and apprehending terrorists and deploy them against innocent Americans! Every conservative who believes in constitutional restraints on government should reject the authoritarian national ID card and the nonsensical intelligence bill itself."
December 8, 2004
Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.
The two main terrorists involved in 9/11 had 63 Drivers license's between them.
I would rather live under some standard of ID then for all people to come here and show us up as a country who is so naive as to allow such things as the aforementioned. Phooey on our privacy, what the hell good is privacy if we are open to being blown to bits?
Sorry Ron Paul is nothing but a politician trying to get the wet back votes. Sc use me for offending you terrorists.
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aka deltacent aka deltater
Life may not be the party I had hoped for.......
But while I'm here I might just as well listen to the music and dance..
All this nonsense lately about immigration reform, standardizing ALREADY standardized drivers license, and this stupid argument over humvees has distracted us from the real import of this S2845 bill.....
So everything we've been discussing and that was listed above and on the TV media as import....is all moot, because none of the above even got in the bill, supposedly because I hear conflicting reports every time I switch the channel or check back in 6 hours....
So exactly what is in this bill anyhow? What is it that we are not to be so concerned about?
sowhatsthetruth said this in post #52 : All this nonsense lately about immigration reform, standardizing ALREADY standardized drivers license...
Last time I looked (earlier this year) state ID's and driver licenses were in fact NOT standarized. Only 24 states utilize a unified standard between themselves. The remaining 26 states each have their own methodology, data systems, magnetic card stripe encoding (if even applicable), the works. I can say first hand that this makes an extremely time consuming development task out of writing software that processes the magnetic card swipe data from those cards.
But hey, that's just another digression now, isn't it?
Last time I looked (earlier this year) state ID's and driver licenses were in fact NOT standarized. Only 24 states utilize a unified standard between themselves. The remaining 26 states each have their own methodology, data systems, magnetic card stripe encoding (if even applicable), the works. I can say first hand that this makes an extremely time consuming development task out of writing software that processes the magnetic card swipe data from those cards.
But hey, that's just another digression now, isn't it?
That's strange because when I got my drivers license renewed in 2000 and I had to submit a fingerprint and jump through a hoop....I asked the clerk what's the deal?
She said national standards on drivers license. Now whether all states complied with such "standards" if you are saying several states do not have this...well, they are out of compliance and the feds have not enforced it. And like immigration laws, rules, and policies that are not enforced either....well, it doesn't surprise me.
The talking heads from DC and journalists jumping on the bandwagon have been harping about the inefficacy of Homeland Security and the need for this *new and improved* Dept. of Redundancy....
Again, the plan for this was in the making in the 1990's and here's your proof:
Note the name of Phase I? A new world coming? How do they know this, are they prophets or psychics?...or are they engineering the entire mess?... you decide.
And Warren Rudman, the "architect" in all this was on c-span this am, defending his little brainchild.
12-09-2004 02:23 PM
"wetbacks" can't vote....
