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I read a thread Intitled "We do exist or....dont we" and there was some disscussion about A.I. so I wanted to discuss it further.

A.I. is something that is already in exsistence, it is not something thing that may or may not be in the future. Right now there are computer programs that can hold a decent conversation with you. It will of course be vary basic. There is some online like this one http://alice.pandorabots.com/

I dont know how many people have had experience with A.I. like this but it is a small climpse into the future.


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It sure is a glimpse of sorts. I wonder how long we would have to wait to see any really significant advancements in AI though... I think we'll have to develop better programming languages, and I would guess that taking such an approach would be hit or miss for the most part... Not to mention the improved hardware that would no doubt become necessary to advance the technology to desired heights.

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Well to be honest I have to say I dont believe that it will be to long. With the ALICE bot it is limited because of privacy issues, I am not sure if it logs IPs and things like that but I am almost 100% sure it logs conversations to serve as its version of Human Memory. I have a had programs on my computer with no restrictions that I could ask who was the last person it talked to and it would tell me. A.I. bots start out very moronic but they do learn and they learn at far greater speeds than humans do. By learning I mean the first conversation that an A.I. bot takes place in depending on the vocabulary and preprogramed linguisitc skills may say something that makes no sense at all when you ask a question like "who is Bill" it might say "apple face frosty Dallas grass is Bill". Because it hasnt learned who or what Bill is yet. But as it grows "smarter" it will remember whos,whats and whens. Basicly it is conversation by asoication. These bots dont really think, which is maybe what you mean by a significant advancement. How ever I do think this is a significant advancement because it is an advancement. I am sure there are further advanced programs that are not availible to the public yet though.

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Yes, semantic association has been around a long time, more than a decade now, but it's still pretty fun. I don't think programming languages need to particularly improve, I just think the hardware these systems run on needs to be unleashed if it's going to ever approach the massive parallel processing capability of our organic brains. The memories of these semantic associations are NOTHING compared to the human brain's pattern recognition capability. This more fundamental capability makes us vastly more complex and powerful. And pattern recognition is not simply visual, but audible and sensual. Remember that ALL senses are wired into the brain - the brain doesn't "see" images, it sees nervous input patterns and pattern recognition is how it makes sense of the environment that we are in.

But that's jut the basics of self-awareness. Higher reasoning, logic and free thought are completely separate, additional layers of complexity that AI can't even come close to touching (yet). No, I think we're a LONG way away from true AI. We can do some nifty tricks today to be sure, but in the scheme of things, they're only simple tricks compared to the astounding processing, storage and recall capabilities of an organic brain. In fact, with all the genetic research going on today, who knows? Maybe the first true AI system will be a bioengineered brain that is constructed form the ground, up and doesn't run ANY "software" or "programming language" other than what fundamental capabilities are built right in from birth...


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When you talk about higher reasoning, logic and free thought I suppose that is where A.I. starts to become dangerous. It gets into the whole Matrix thing. Also you mention a bioengineered brain constructed from the ground up... when I think about this I get a picture of a human brain that is part of a computer and the computer part of the brain. Some how the brain is kept alive and functional and controls the computer. Since it is true when you said the brain doesnt "see" images it recieves signals or nervous input patterns the nervous system would also have to be intact correct? Or there would have to be some sort of replacement, something to send those signals to the brain. It seems very possible when I think about it.

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Not only possible, already done. Check these two stories out:

Artificial "brain" pilots a flight simulator program:
http://www.inreview.com/showthread....600&forumid=765

brain implant receives nervous signals and translates them to external environment:
http://www.inreview.com/showthread....185&forumid=772


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Man that blew me away....wow thats amazing. I really dont know how else to describe it other than amazing. It just goes to show you what is possible. It really sends your mind on a journey of what is possible doesnt it. Its almost if you can think it...theres a good chance it could one day become a reality. Of course there is the whole ethical question of using a human brain for something like this... but then I think well maybe there are ways around the negatives...I wonder. What is a human brains lifespan? In other words if a man dies of old age is his brain still capable of performing its normal tasks or has it been used up so to speek. Then if it is still capable to perform and is able to be merged with machine through bioengineering is it wrong to use that brain. I suppose it would be a little tricky considering the memorys would still exist..wouldnt they? But then maybe their might be away to induce amnesia to reformat if you will. Also maybe eventually we could clone a brain and use that...just thoughts.

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Vodka, you definitely sound like a scientist at heart. Those are some very controversial questions that probably won't be even seriously looked at for sometime. Unless you're referring to VOLUNTEERS, or donors.

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Thanks Sierradaddy I only wish I had the education backround to go along with all my ideas and dreams.

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It's never too late to learn. It helps to be passionate about something. There's plenty of information out there on the web at no cost as well...

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The web alone has the potential to be one of the greatest learning tools that mankind could possibly develop (apart from "jacking in" like in the matrix, but even that is connectivity similar to what's required to make the internet work...). Imagine if A.I. really come into existence? How does one halt the access to the web, and the knowledge and power that could be harnessed by just one massively distributed virus that gave an A.I. control over anything connected, be it through conventional physical connections, or wireless transmission? There's a dangerous thought... Skynet (Terminator series) would become a reality, huh?

Or how about spontaneous evolution? What if the web itself somehow gained sentience? Anyone seen a show starring Peter Weller called Odyssey 5?


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Now you're talking science fiction, SD

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Yeah, I got a lot of that on the brain lately, what with all this talk about advanced A.I....

That post started out as encouragement to Vodka to check the web as you suggested... Then somehow I started freewriting and ended up incorporating TERMINATOR fiction and ODYSSEY 5... I'm surprised I didn't mention anything about the Spielberg movie, A.I., which I just saw on tv last night... (Whoops, just did...)


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Hey Sean you mentioned info on the web, I was wondering if you could point me in the right direction.

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Honestly, Google is my most powerful secret weapon. Anything I am ever interested in I just type in there and see what comes up and read it. I usually try half a dozen different phrasings of the same query if the topic is important enough just to make sure I get all the info. I also look for links to related material on the sites I find there which tend to be more focused references. I don't anything could be more useful than this!

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Ok cool thanks. I use Google all the time I thought maybe you were talking about a specific site that would be helpfull other than a search engine.

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Vodka said this in post #1 :
I read a thread Intitled "We do exist or....dont we" and there was some disscussion about A.I. so I wanted to discuss it further.

A.I. is something that is already in exsistence, it is not something thing that may or may not be in the future. Right now there are computer programs that can hold a decent conversation with you. It will of course be vary basic. There is some online like this one http://alice.pandorabots.com/

I dont know how many people have had experience with A.I. like this but it is a small climpse into the future.


U WATCH THE MATRIX TO MUCH....

lolzerz when i told alice "u a bizatch" she says"am i a bizatch? only when it matters... OYFG it's hilarious!!!! ahahhahahahahahhaahhahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


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Yeah I loved the first Matrix but that doesnt change the development in A.I. Im not saying that I believe humanity is threatend or will be by A.I. I believe that we will continue upon developing into a 1984 type of society.

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Nevertheless it raises some interesting moral and scientific issues. What defines intelligence? What defines sentience? what defines life? What is the next step in natural evolution, or, if you prefer, what is god's will? AI may have some serious effects, and they're not dissmissable.

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To be honest, AI (to varying degrees of intelligence and ability) has been present in things like video games for years now. When you play the computer in a single player game, nowadays, you are playing a bot that will react and to some degree, think, it's no longer an enemy that just paces until you come onto the screen and it shoots. They are now adaptive to the situation that they are in.

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I'm a gamer, I get it. Nevetheless, my questions stand. Is the AI in my FF game sentient? Is the Xbox intelligent? etc, etc....

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I'm a gamer, I get it. Nevetheless, my questions stand. Is the AI in my FF game sentient? Is the Xbox intelligent? etc, etc....

Well, dictionary.com says sentient is "Experiencing sensation or feeling."
So I really don't think that any artificial form of intelligence can be sentient. Not yet at least... I think to some degree that these programs (which are quite simple) are intelligent, they can recognize different conditions and will act accordinly. However, they are governed by the laws of their programs and the language that runs them. They will never be able to really make their own descisions, just follow the battleplan that was laid out for them in their programing.


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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6600965.stm

Who needs an AI when we will eventually just digitize a human and build off of that? The only thing stopping it from happening now is that the partial mouse is running on the largest supercomputer ever built.

Imagine a human who is not a human. Imagine something like an ordinary poster who is not just patched into Google or a mathematics tool, but is actually running on the same machine. Just digitizing every last axon and dendrite would be an accomplishment right now, but it would be only the beginning...

Heck, make some backup copies, buy a good firewall, and it would be the invention of immortality.


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