Percentage of abortions performed due to life or health threat to the mother: 1%
Percentage of abortions performed due to rape or incest: 2%
Percentage of abortions performed due to health of the baby: 4%
Percentage of abortions performed for social reasons: 93%
Source: "Why Do Women Have Abortions?", A. Torres & J.D. Forrest,
Family Planning Perspectives, Jul/Aug 1988
Number of live births in 1992: 4,065,014
Number of abortions in 1992: 1,528,930
Percentage of pregnancies ending in abortion: 27%
Source: World Almanac & Book of Facts, 1996, New Jersey
for some odd reason, while the word "Ganya" was still just a thought-dropping in my head, I thought it'd only be four letters. But apparently it's five. yep.
Dekka00 said this in post #15 : are you saying most abortions are not performed because the person doesn't feel like having a kid when they are pregnant from consensual sex?
No..thats not what Im saying...but you said that they are having abortions and using it as birth control.
Thats just not exactly a right statement. Technically, people dont just say Id rather have an abortion than use a condom or take the pill.
That statement almost implies that.
I would agree that most people have abortions for social reasons, but I also know that a great many of these women use birth control. The pill, nor condoms are 100 percent effective. I can verify that.
The only way to insure that abortions are not used socially when legal is through abstinence...the only problem is that it isnt realistic.
Look, I know this might be precieved as a cheesy statement, but we have so many children in the world that are unwanted as it is...and so many children grow up in homes feeling unloved and unwanted because their parent didnt really want them to begin with. I think having an abortion in the first trimester is the best way to go...
I also feel that a male dominated government should not be the ones telling women what to do with their own body. If she doesnt want the child, and the man doesnt want the child...what happens to it? Sure...adoption can happen, but what of all the other children that never got adopted? Its just another child in this world abandoned.
See...pro-lifers are all about life...but they arent the ones that have to deal with the child when the parents dont want them. I also dont see them helping all those children in orphanges and giving them homes in their homes.
Im not gonna rag on your source, because Im not sure anyone can truly get an accurate statement at all. A right wing source will give a high percentage, a left wing will give a lower percentage.
Of course thats just my opinion....I could be wrong. (Dennis Miller)
"You might be the toughest little whacker. . .but in my world, you're about as worrisome as a cloudy day." (Dutch Dooley)
I don't know what the rate is in USA, but since 1991, the rate of abortions in Australia has actually dropped every year. This is happening without any government intervention, it's just that people are finding alternatives on their own and that has got to be a good thing.
Thats just not exactly a right statement. Technically, people dont just say Id rather have an abortion than use a condom or take the pill.
That statement almost implies that.
okay I can see why you'd have a problem with that wording so I'll call it post-conception birth control then. As long as the pregnancy was a result of consious choice I cannot justify allowing a fetus to be killed.
I would agree that most people have abortions for social reasons, but I also know that a great many of these women use birth control. The pill, nor condoms are 100 percent effective. I can verify that.
The only way to insure that abortions are not used socially when legal is through abstinence... exactly! the only problem is that it isnt realistic.
it's perfectly realistic. It worked in the past, it can work now. Unwanted children are not so much society's problem as the two parent's problem. They didn't want a kid? Tough. They understand how sexual reproduction works. They had sex anyway. Now they better get used to the idea of being a parent real quick, because they are going to be.
Look, I know this might be precieved as a cheesy statement, but we have so many children in the world that are unwanted as it is...and so many children grow up in homes feeling unloved and unwanted because their parent didnt really want them to begin with. I think having an abortion in the first trimester is the best way to go...
I also feel that a male dominated government should not be the ones telling women what to do with their own body. If she doesnt want the child, and the man doesnt want the child...what happens to it? Sure...adoption can happen, but what of all the other children that never got adopted? Its just another child in this world abandoned.
I'm not one to try to force my ideas upon other people, people are gonna do what they're gonna do. If someone decides to rebel against America's Puritan values, that's alright. But they are gonna have to live the results of it. Don't like the results, don't live that kind of life. However, if maintaining your lifestyle means you have to either abandon a child or kill a fetus, I think I am justified in calling it "wrong" and furthermore justified in saying it should be illegal. In fact I could go a step further and say you ought to change the way you are living, and not feel guilty of instrusive evangelism.
See...pro-lifers are all about life...but they arent the ones that have to deal with the child when the parents dont want them. I also dont see them helping all those children in orphanges and giving them homes in their homes.
you're right, the ones responsible should be the ones held responsible.
Im not gonna rag on your source, because Im not sure anyone can truly get an accurate statement at all. A right wing source will give a high percentage, a left wing will give a lower percentage.
I'm gonna see if I can round up a few numbers later today or tomorrow...
for some odd reason, while the word "Ganya" was still just a thought-dropping in my head, I thought it'd only be four letters. But apparently it's five. yep.
I don't think abstenence is beyond our reach. Most sex is recreational and not terribly genuine/loving to begin with - why would it be so difficult to teach kids an alternative to caving into the media and letting their hormones control them? There's great danger to life with STD's which social diseases and could disappear with changes in social behavior. There are too many people on this planet which are the result of promiscuous sex and unregulated child bearing. There are a good number of problems that tie into this topic.
Mystic, I see your point regarding our present inability to regulate using abortion as a form of brith control (short of outlawing it altogether), but what if we did something with abortion from a regulatory standpoint like we do with driving: if you end up in that clinic for an unplanned pregnancy, you must take a follow-up course on sex education, planned parenthood, etc. just as the DMV allows you to get out of certain tickets as being points aginst your driving record by attending a follow-up traffic school..?
Sean Kelly said this in post #20 : I don't think abstenence is beyond our reach. Most sex is recreational and not terribly genuine/loving to begin with - why would it be so difficult to teach kids an alternative to caving into the media and letting their hormones control them? There's great danger to life with STD's which social diseases and could disappear with changes in social behavior. There are too many people on this planet which are the result of promiscuous sex and unregulated child bearing. There are a good number of problems that tie into this topic.
Mystic, I see your point regarding our present inability to regulate using abortion as a form of birth control (short of outlawing it altogether), but what if we did something with abortion from a regulatory standpoint like we do with driving: if you end up in that clinic for an unplanned pregnancy, you must take a follow-up course on sex education, planned parenthood, etc. just as the DMV allows you to get out of certain tickets as being points aginst your driving record by attending a follow-up traffic school..?
I think that's a great idea. Makes me wonder why it has never been brought up before.
As for the abstinence issue...I totally see your point and I understand it also...but realistically, we can teach and teach our kids...but its not just the media that controls them, its their own peers...we, as parents, can only do what we can do...eventually the hormones start raging, and we arent typically around when that happens...
I think its more important to be able to make sure that the kids that do choose to have sex is to make sure that contraceptives are available to them. If people want them to avoid STD's and AIDS, then teaching them the responsible choice is the right thing, and if abstinence isnt a realistic choice for them, at least condoms can be.
Of course thats just my opinion....I could be wrong. (Dennis Miller)
"You might be the toughest little whacker. . .but in my world, you're about as worrisome as a cloudy day." (Dutch Dooley)
No..thats not what Im saying...but you said that they are having abortions and using it as birth control.
Thats just not exactly a right statement. Technically, people dont just say Id rather have an abortion than use a condom or take the pill.
Wouldn't it just be lovely if that actually didn't happen, but it does, all to often. I personally know some poeple, not a person, but PEOPLE who go to the clinic on a routine basis and get abortions done just incase they are pregnant. They don't want the poeple to tell them weather they were pregnant or not, they go get it done, leave and act like its a trip to the supermarket.
It disgusts me. But it happens, and will continue to happen.
11-01-2004 03:36 AM
the only problem is that it isnt realistic.
