Sean, my point exactly. Why would they have all this headache with 9/11 commission, 9/11 victims families claims, french conspiracists, etc. if all they can do is release the videos from Sheraton and the gas station.
FBI: Can you hear me? Just release the damn videos! It's costless. Its ok we are mature enough take violence and people jumping off-board are not going to render us unconcious.
I mean we put up with beheadings, scenes of people jumping out of buildings, a constant barrage of video threats from anglos dressed in Islamic garb, love/hate letters from Usama, the threat matrix going yellow no orange no red, warnings to be constantly aware from Homeland security, FBI, CIA, TTIC and most of all....
we've all seen Arnold Schwartzenaggar films for goodness sakes.
The best way to counter conspiracy is to ignore it for what it is.
If one continues to push a conspiracy 'theory' hard enough, you will find someone who believes it.
Sure there are conspiracies. The JFK is one that I believe in.
This crash owver has too many people dead to be something else.
Is there a memorial for the victoms of this crash? There would have to be. Those names could be checked against the DMV or public records to see if they are legitmate. That may be a good source to start. If every name is legitimate and the records show them as deceased all on the same day. Maybe it's true then.
Just a thought.
"Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless." ~Ayatollah Khomeini
USA1 forget about the conspiracy. I find it impossible for Bush and few his buddies to make so many agencies and experts and military personnel lie. But the videos are very fishy. I dont understand, why doesnt the FBI RELEASE THE TAPES? WHY???
Really i just thought they ****ed up bigged time on Sept. 11. Thats why all the cover up and fishiness. And covering up and holding tapes and not answering all the questions only worsens it - for them, the intelligence community, aviation commission, etc.
We cannot ignore the fact that there is a conspiracy involving 9-11.
The question is who is involved?
Are we to go with face value with what we are told in the 9-11 commission report and what the media and government officials tell us?
That 19 Islamists, 15 of them Saudi Arabian were a home cell trained by Usama bin Laden in Aghanistan to devise and execute this plan?
If so, then the perpetrators have been caught and captured....dead.
If this is the case, the criminals, enemy combatants have nearly been caught.
So, get Usama, since he now says he was the mastermind...and whatever liutenants he has beneath him.
To me, this should be the TOP priority....not Saddam Hussein, nation building, the spreading of freedom thruout the planet and whatever else nonsense the commander in chief is pushing these days.
That is an one option, of course.
Are there others involved, more importantly, are there others entrenched in our government who aided and abetted 9-11?
Who sponsored these 19 hijackers in our country?
Who were the INS agents who signed their visa documents?
Where did they get their money?
Who were their compatriots while here? What did they know?
These are simple questions related to the 19 hijackers.
I have a huge question....
Why was this particular section of the pentagon beefed up with fire retardant components in recent months prior to 9-11? Why this section? Were there any other sections beefed up with fire retardant materials?
Because of this, the fire at the Pentagon did not extend thruout the building.
The twin towers did not have fire retardant materials and they crumbled.
And I still don't have a sufficient explanation for the lack of damage on the outer wall from the wings of this plane.
There were 50,000 people employed on a daily basis in each tower.
That means 100,000 people potentially could have died.
Where were these other workers? I have heard many took the day, week off.
I know that my former employer sent the CEO, board of directors and other top executives to New York that day. They were supposed to meet at 8:30 that morning, but at the last minute it was switched from The world trade center to a federal center. Why? Were the rooms overbooked? How could that be?...there were so few employees at the trade center as it was.
You are right about one thing though USA1....conspiracy theories can be a dime a dozen...
conspiracy theories are as much used in the art of disinformation dissemination as there are true explanations of conspiracies.
A dozen false conspiracy theories are concocted to throw off the discovery of the real conspiracy.
The trick and art of it is....discerning fact from fiction, truth from lies.
USA1 said this in post #95 : .. If every name is legitimate and the records show them as deceased all on the same day. Maybe it's true then..
You mustn't have much of a criminal mind if you can't come up with at least three different ways that ALL of this could possibly be faked. I get the impression you're not even reading the posts here because you keep repeating your objections even though (I feel) we have adequately responded to them and explained possibilities that you haven't specifically denied. The only argument I've gotten so far from anyone really was that "you can't keep that many people silent" which is subjective at best.
Regarding one of the hijackers....
In 2002 I read in a local newspaper about a Muslim student who went to the University of Denver.
He was remarking that one of the hijackers in 9-11 stole his identity.
After 9-11, when they listed the names and photos of the hijackers...he noticed that one of them had his exact name...
And when he investigated...he found that this hijacker had indeed used his identity....
At the time I was working for the state court system and ran a search on this man....sure enough a traffic offense came up with this guys name and information.
So it always led me to wonder.....exactly who was this hijacker who had taken on the identity of this college student....and do the "law" enforcement agencies even know who this man really was???
And do they really care anyway??? Were these hijackers ghosts in the machine or something?
And so if they give this line up of names and photos....are these people for real? Did anyone come forward and admit they knew these hijackers and show some grief for their deaths? How would we really know?
Because like I said, the only person I heard who came forward about one of these hijackers did so because he "stole" his identity.
There must be other instances....I am only living in a small part of the world and I don't hear about everything....but it just seems strange.
I also looked thru a file of an Islamic man from Kuwait who had a record of vehicular homicide.
His record showed that he was taking flight lessons and attending a local college.
He fled the country after 9-11, his roommate said he took a ton of money out of the bank and left the country.....
Another "terrorist" on the loose. There were other details that led me to this conclusion....and he was flagged in the NCIC.
The details previous to his release from prison were highly suspicious to me and I just can't understand why a "trained" law enforcement agent couldn't pick up on these...until after the big boom. This shows ineptitude more than anything else.
To the credit of the law enforcement and "intelligence" agents of this country I am forced to think that they couldn't possibly have prevented 9/11 even amid all the clues that they were swimming in. Remember that hindsight is always 20/20 or better. You can easily backtrack and connect events by comparisson to predicting the future. Law enforcement and security specialsts, etc are dealling with hundreds of thousands of pieces of informaiton and trying valiantly to compile a coherent picture of it all, but it's just not possible to do it in real time.
I think it's just one more testament to the notion that we're better off with a an alternative form of "prevention" to the current model which randomly fire warning shots across the bow of every ship entering the harbor. The current system results in misplaced confidence when in actuality they are powerless to protect the people. That is why I say that we should address the source and not the symptoms. Angry terrorists are symptoms of a prior problem. The problem itself is a political one, but which so far has been denied the attention it deserves. I hope "they" don't have to "get us" much more before some real decisive action is taken on our part - and I'm not talking about invading the rest of the planet.
If there is a coverup here, it may indeed be to obscure the ineptitude, the incompetence, that would be perceived of such an abysmal failure even though competency has nothing to do with the root problem..
My neighbour is law enforcement and she works long days and sometimes long nights....she deals with this crap day in and day out....
and many times SHE is the one who has to encourage me to be optimistic...
I respect her a great deal.
And even on her days off....if she hears my smoke detector go off (food burning)....she's right there on my porch wondering if I am ok.
In this newspaper article, the man said he went to the FBI himself, because they gave a description of him that resembled him....as far as place of residence, schooling etc.
And the FBI verified that the hijacker had indeed used his identity.
It wouldn't have been such a big deal if it was just a name....
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