For someone with "Ethical" in your name, you aren't. It isn't right or ethical to use abortion as birth control. Abortion isn't right period. The woman gets her body back in 9 months. The dead baby she aborts never does.
Keep focusing on the woman's body, sure, that way you can be blind to the unborn child.
Beth_K said this in post #151 : For someone with "Ethical" in your name, you aren't. It isn't right or ethical to use abortion as birth control. Abortion isn't right period. The woman gets her body back in 9 months. The dead baby she aborts never does.
Keep focusing on the woman's body, sure, that way you can be blind to the unborn child.
Hey if the child is stillborn or severely malformed, I have no problem with abortion. Are you against the procudure or you just certain types of abortion. Most people that consider themselves pro-life really aren't, it's just a range of people being pro-choice. However, you seem to be leaning on the idea that the woman has no choice, especially when she's in a situation where she never wanted to be pregnant (e.g. rape).
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Yes, I would be one of those 100% pro-life-type people. With respect to pregnancies that arise from rapes, I don't see how two wrongs make it right. Yes, the woman is a victim, but why should a baby also be a victim?
I don't believe she has to keep the baby, there are many childless couples looking to adopt. A very good friend of mine was adopted under these circumstances. I am certainly glad his birth mother did not decide that abortion was the answer, nor do I think his adoptive parents think that either.
I suggest you move to Utopia; where endless population growth is both economically and environmentally supportable. You don't sound like much of a conservative--giving control of a woman's body to an oversized government.
Maybe the woman should control her body before conception?
I know your next argument is, so a woman that is told giving giving birth could kill her should just die. Well to tell you the truth that scenario is highly unlikely. My wife works in a Birth center and has never come across that scenario. The left always use this one as an argument but has anyone known someone who was ever given this advice? I know there are a lot of high risk pregnancies that occur but it is unlikely a physician would suggest an abortion.
What about rape. I agree with another poster that two wrongs don't make a right. There are plenty of people willing to adopt.
One thing I find really bizarre about liberals/democrats is the compassion they show toward animals and the environment are not extended toward unborn children. I don't understand how the value of a baby seal or whale is greater than that of a child. They get all pissed off that soldiers are dying in Iraq but could care less about the slaughter of unborn children. Instead they focus on a fictitious idea that killing babies is a "civil right" that should'nt be denied. This whole argument about a womans "control" of her own body makes me want to puke. Were not talking about bowel movements and bladder control here. The issue is weather a civilized society should promote life or promote the ending of life.
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becker, Pleaseeee that is a little too much to accept. Babies are a part of their environment. they may inherit some genes but its only the kind that would determine their intellect or health. Environment is the chief cause of a Rapist being developed or a 'serial Killer. Suggest you do a bit of reading before spouting erroneous gossip for the sake of gossip.
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becker said this in post #155 : Ever consider the "genes " that a baby conceived from a "Rapist"
may have?
Could be another Raper being born.
So early abortion may be a good choice.
So you think that your genes dictate your behavior. Well I have used that argument when debating wether homosexuality is a choice or not. The liberals like to claim their born that way. Since science has never found a genetic reason if you were to use the same logic then the same could apply for other behaviors good and bad. Rapists have a new defense now thanks to the lefties. THey couldn't help it because they were born that way. Pure BS. Sorry that excuse doesn't fly.
People's behavior is a product of their environment, as in serial killers and alcoholism.
People’s genetics do not influence that behavior unless they have inherited something like the addiction gene. Those people are more susceptible to addiction. That addiction could be alcohol, drugs, gambling or even sex and not specific to one or the other or all. If however, you were born with one less chromosome, it is genetics but it is a freak of nature. Those are without a doubt what they are, without any conscious selection process. This doesn’t mean they are entitled by fate or that they are no less human than anyone else. They are equal in all rights, with the exception of marriage rights.
Marriage rights are determined by God. Those beliefs have been in our ideologies since the beginning of mankind.
Do gays exist? Yes. Is it a choice? Sometimes but, sometimes it isn’t. people sometimes choose their lifestyle.
If same sex partner rights are given to all, what is to stop people from living with another same sex to just to claim the benefits of married couples rights. After all, you wouldn’t have to be gay to have a couple.
I think allowing those rights will cause more problems that it is worth. The ability to claim anyone on your insurance is dangerous. If there are people who feel that they want another person to be allowed presence during medical emergencies or hospital stays, yes there should be a legal medium for this; do they have to be married to get it? No, I don’t feel they should.
Should gay’s be allowed to be married? In my opinion no, but as human beings they have rights and feelings for others. There is no law against that nor should there ever be one.
We need to accept that fact that people are different and work to allow them rights to not leave them suffering because they are different. We need to acknowledge a problem and address it without changing the law of the land for the majority whose rights they were designed for.
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Did you notice, every new program promoted by liberals is full of loop holes to fraudulently make money and then have an excuse to add another commission or office to discover such fraud which also has to be paid. That's how the government grows. It's not just about marriage, althou marriage itself is a stupid idea; it's about laws and how they are going to be used.
10-26-2004 03:35 AM
