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Murder or Manslaughter? post #1  quote:



or "babyslaughter"..

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LOS ANGELES (CNN) -- A California court Monday rejected a father's efforts to keep his baby son on life support, possibly clearing the way for the father to be tried in the boy's slaying.

Eighteen-month-old Christopher Ibarra has been in a coma for more than a year as a result of "shaken impact syndrome." A lower court found his father, Moises, beat and shook him in December 2001, when the boy was three months old.

Christopher is "neurologically devastated, is in a persistent vegetative condition, and has no cognitive function," the court wrote. "Future medical treatment will be futile."

The California 4th District Appeals Court rejected Moises Ibarra's efforts to keep his son on life support, upholding a lower court order stating the child's life support should be discontinued.

Moises Ibarra could ultimately face a murder charge if his son dies of the injuries he sustained. Removing the boy from life support, then, could set the legal process in motion.
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Seems to me to "murder" someone you have to have the intent to kill them. Manslaughter is when death occurs, quite by accident.. .. or is it that murder is defined as death arising from harmful action enacted upon another. If that's the case, then I suppose indeed: murder it is.

Sadly, "shaken impact syndrome", AKA "shaken baby syndrome" is nothing new. Most parents learn about preventing accidents like this and SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome) during pre-natal, fully assuming, of course, that any such result would never be intentional. Unfortunately, not everyone gets the education they need to care for an infant. This guy's gonig to pay dearly for his immaturity and ignorance.


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i agree... hmmn

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There's nothing in this article that indicates he had intended to kill this kid. Had he wanted the kid dead, I'm certain it wouldn't have been very difficult for him to do so (pillow over the face, etc.).

Acting in the heat of the moment, he may have shaken the kid out of anger without any desire for what resulted. This would be manslaughter.


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Ish murder fo sho!

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Well, I just don't understand how anyone can hurt a child in ANY way. There is NEVER a reason to shake a baby. And I'm sorry... but that father needs to have some serious charges brought against him. Lock him up and throw away the key.

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Well, I just don't understand how anyone can hurt a child in ANY way. There is NEVER a reason to shake a baby. And I'm sorry... but that father needs to have some serious charges brought against him. Lock him up and throw away the key.

Absolutely.


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Definately murder. There is not an excuse in the world to shake a baby. He should NEVER be allowed to reproduce again. Let it be a warning, people think before you have children. Look at the person you plan to have these children with and if they have anger issues, please don't do it.

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