I did address that issue, you just don't agree with my answer. I do apologize for the mix-up with the birth control thing, but I might add that birth control has always been available, it's called saying NO.
I think offering moral support to any woman who chooses to have and keep her baby is a very honorable thing Beth. But I would be inclined to offer the same kind of support to any female I know who would face the incredibly difficult decision of having an abortion.
Holy War....You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend. - Richard Jeni
Beth_K said this in post #31 : I did address that issue, you just don't agree with my answer.
No Beth..you didnt address my question...and in fact, you skipped it again...
So...I will ask again...
How many unwanted kids have you adopted? Are you willing to house the children that are homeless once the number of unwanted children number rises? Are you willing to open up your wallet and pay for these kids?
You want to take away...but will you give something in return? And if you will...what will you give?
Of course thats just my opinion....I could be wrong. (Dennis Miller)
"You might be the toughest little whacker. . .but in my world, you're about as worrisome as a cloudy day." (Dutch Dooley)
I think you both totally overlooked the fact that I first would prefer that unwanted pregnanies don't even happen in the first place. Some young women do use abortion as a form on birth control, and I find that method an unacceptable method. So, Mystics notion that I want all these unwanted children in the streets in just a bunch of baloney in an attempt to make me look like an uncaring person.
What I do instead of adopting children myself is what I feel I can do for women who decide to choose life. I have supported a pregnancy crisis center in our area since it opened a few years ago. They provide education, basic baby essentials, and counciling for women who seek it. One day, when my own kids are in school all day, I want to volunteer my time there as well.
There are a few bills in the House that offer tax breaks for people who adopt. I have written to my Congressmen to express my support for these measures.
I have a feeling that you both will chastise me and say I am not doing enough since I have not adopted myself. I guess that is your perogative. But I do feel that my heart is in the right place, and that in my own little way I am fighting for the most defensless sector of our society, the unborn.
Beth_K said this in post #34 : I think you both totally overlooked the fact that I first would prefer that unwanted pregnanies don't even happen in the first place.
Everyone prefers that Beth and that would be a great thing in a perfect world..but its not a perfect world.
Some young women do use abortion as a form on birth control, and I find that method an unacceptable method.
Sure, I dont deny that to a point...but I also dont deny that people who DO use birth control still get pregnant...and the majority of people dont just go.."Oh gee, Id rather have an abortion than use condoms..." So that statement that they use it as a form of birth control isnt really so black and white as you make it out to be.
So, Mystics notion that I want all these unwanted children in the streets in just a bunch of baloney in an attempt to make me look like an uncaring person.
I NEVER said that..and you shouldnt assume thats what I meant...I dont consider you uncaring by any means...I just consider that you arent looking at the bigger picture. Its like I said..your wants are idealistic in a perfect world....but unrealistic in the real world.
What I do instead of adopting children myself is what I feel I can do for women who decide to choose life. I have supported a pregnancy crisis center in our area since it opened a few years ago. They provide education, basic baby essentials, and counciling for women who seek it. One day, when my own kids are in school all day, I want to volunteer my time there as well.
Good! I think that important to give whatever you can to these girls/women but that helps those who seek help...what of those who dont seek help?
There are a few bills in the House that offer tax breaks for people who adopt. I have written to my Congressmen to express my support for these measures.
Those bills are in existence I know...but those being in existence hasnt changed the rate of adoptions and unwanted children.
I have a feeling that you both will chastise me and say I am not doing enough since I have not adopted myself. I guess that is your perogative. But I do feel that my heart is in the right place, and that in my own little way I am fighting for the most defensless sector of our society, the unborn.
There isnt anything wrong with that...we arent saying there is.
What Im saying is that while you are protecting them and wanting the reversal of roe v. wade...people like myself are gonna wonder what those of you willing to take away, are gonna do when things get out of control?
Of course thats just my opinion....I could be wrong. (Dennis Miller)
"You might be the toughest little whacker. . .but in my world, you're about as worrisome as a cloudy day." (Dutch Dooley)
Actually, I do not realistically think Roe v Wade will ever be overturned, which is why I have redirected my pro-life efforts into giving the support that I can to women who do choose life, rather than trying to change the fact that abortion is illegal. Do I wish it was illegal? Yes. Do I think it ever will be illegal again? I really doubt it. But, I think saying things would be out of control if it were illegal is a bit dramatic, IMO.
Beth_K said this in post #36 : I think saying things would be out of control if it were illegal is a bit dramatic, IMO.
How so?
When I mean out of control..I mean addtionally more children with no homes...when I say out of control...I also mean women reverting to back alley abortions...(are their lives worth this?)
Out of control can mean many things I know...but where do you draw the line in coining "out of control?"
Of course thats just my opinion....I could be wrong. (Dennis Miller)
"You might be the toughest little whacker. . .but in my world, you're about as worrisome as a cloudy day." (Dutch Dooley)
Beth_K said this in post #34 : I think you both totally overlooked the fact that I first would prefer that unwanted pregnanies don't even happen in the first place. Some young women do use abortion as a form on birth control, and I find that method an unacceptable method.
I'm sure everyone would rest easier if there were absolutely no unwanted pregnancies, but like Mystic said, this is simply unrealistic. Who are these women you're referring to whose attitude is "I'll have unprotected sex, it's alright if I get pregnant because I can just have an abortion". You make it sound like it's as simple a decision to them as choosing which brand of detergent to use. This is simply not the case. Most certainly there are women out there who are reckless with their personal lives and have had more than one abortion, but this still doesn't mean that they use it as a form of "birth control". To use it in that way would mean a promiscuous and reckless woman of that nature would have to have an abortion every month. Where are the cases referring to that?
What I do instead of adopting children myself is what I feel I can do for women who decide to choose life. I have supported a pregnancy crisis center in our area since it opened a few years ago. They provide education, basic baby essentials, and counciling for women who seek it. One day, when my own kids are in school all day, I want to volunteer my time there as well.
I think your volunteering services and donations are very honorable and an excellent way to show your support.
There are a few bills in the House that offer tax breaks for people who adopt. I have written to my Congressmen to express my support for these measures.
Actually this kind of bill should be supported by people on both sides of the argument.
I have a feeling that you both will chastise me and say I am not doing enough since I have not adopted myself.
I think you're misunderstanding my position and Mystic's position. We both asked you a legitimate question and you answered it. You're not going to be chastised for your position. You have just as much of a right to your opinion as we do to ours. Please don't misinterperate our opposition as a personal attack, it's not. It's simply a debate with you stating your position and supporting your argument and with both of us doing the same.
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Beth_K said this in post #36 : Actually, I do not realistically think Roe v Wade will ever be overturned, which is why I have redirected my pro-life efforts into giving the support that I can to women who do choose life, rather than trying to change the fact that abortion is illegal. Do I wish it was illegal? Yes. Do I think it ever will be illegal again? I really doubt it. But, I think saying things would be out of control if it were illegal is a bit dramatic, IMO.
I respect your position and the actions you take to support it. Again please don't mistake my opposing view as an attack on you personally. That is simply not the case.
Holy War....You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend. - Richard Jeni
11-23-2004 12:45 AM
