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Judge Rules Against Ban on Partial-Birth Abortion
By Jim Christie - Reuters - Tue Jun 1, 2004 05:42 PM ET

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A Federal judge in San Francisco on Tuesday declared unconstitutional a law banning partial birth abortions, saying the measure was too vaguely worded and placed an undue burden on abortion rights.

U.S. District Court Judge Phyllis Hamilton said the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 was also unconstitutional because it lacked an exemption to protect a mother's health.

The decision was hailed by pro-abortion rights groups who saw the law as a first step toward restricting abortions and removing a safe option for some seriously ill women.

But Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican and a key backer of the ban, said he was disappointed by the ruling and predicted it would eventually be overturned.

"I'm very disappointed in the decision today," he told reporters, calling the procedure of allowing late term abortions "shameful."

President Bush signed the law on Nov. 5, 2003, criminalizing a procedure that doctors call intact dilation and extraction and critics call partial-birth abortion. The procedure may involve removing a fetus from its mother's womb to terminate it.

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This just blows my mind. People have no shame anymore.

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U.S. District Court Judge Phyllis Hamilton said the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 was also unconstitutional because it lacked an exemption to protect a mother's health.


I would certainly agree that such an act IS unconstitutional if it does not include an exemption to protect the mother's life...if that is indeed what is ment by the mother's "health".


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I would certainly agree that such an act IS unconstitutional if it does not include an exemption to protect the mother's life...if that is indeed what is ment by the mother's "health".

I've heard that abortions are more a risk to a mothers health than just having the kid. The womens health thing, its just a very sad excuse used to try to excuse abortion.


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It is disturbing when someone like Judge Hamilton has the power to undermine the president.

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Hamilton, Phyllis J.
Born 1952 in Jacksonville, IL

Federal Judicial Service:
U. S. District Court, Northern District of California
Nominated by William J. Clinton on February 9, 2000, to a new seat created by 104 Stat. 5089, 5105; Confirmed by the Senate on May 24, 2000, and received commission on May 25, 2000.

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Stanford University, B.A., 1974

Santa Clara University School of Law, J.D., 1976

Professional Career:
Deputy public defender, Office of the Public Defender, CA, 1976-1980
Manager, EEO Programs, Farinon Electric Corporation, 1980
Administrative judge, U.S. Merit Systems Protection Board, San Francisco Regional Office, CA, 1980-1985
Court commissioner, Municipal Court, Oakland-Piedmont-Emeryville Judicial District, 1985-1991
U.S. Magistrate Judge, Northern District of California, 1991-2000

Race or Ethnicity: African American

Gender: Female


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The ruling was totally unethical. Since when does a San Fransisco judge, over rule a Supreme court justice?! And since the baby is just stuck inside the mother, it doesn't have a right to live?

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I don't understand why abortion is even an issue at this point. Can they not just deliver the baby if the mother's life is in danger? Prematurely born infants do sometimes face health problems but, I think that's a better fate than being aborted.

Never-the-less, we have the right to defend ourselves if our life is threatened. It may be sad that a woman's baby could be the one threatening her life but still, does she not have the right to defend herself? Survival is instinct. Would it be Constitutional to deny a woman her right to life if continuing her pregnancy meant a likely death?


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We are under judicial tyranny. Period!

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but wtf does this have to do with the election?

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post #11  quote:

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are you actually saying that u think abortion is ok. just because the baby hasn't fully come out yet, doesn't mean that it doesn't have life. it is capable of the same senses as us in its final stages of pregnancy


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are you actually saying that u think abortion is ok. just because the baby hasn't fully come out yet, doesn't mean that it doesn't have life. it is capable of the same senses as us in its final stages of pregnancy


I feel that abortion is ok in the first trimester. In these final stages, I guess I just don't understand why they can't perform a cesarean or induce labor. The baby may not 100% developed but, delivering it a month or two early has to be better than aborting it.

I don't really think that an abortion at this late stage is right but, I also don't understand why it would be necessary. However, I do feel that if the mother's life is in danger, that she shouldn't be denied any and all treatment/procedures that could possibly save her life.


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yes, the mother deff. has rights, however when she made the choice "x" amount of months ago when she concieved the child, she made herself responsible for now 2 human lives. if she wasn't ready to take on that responsibility, she should never have had sex in the first place, and if it was a mistake pregnancy, then she shoulud think harder about the risks of sex. as for life threatening situations, the mother should have enough love for the child that she would give up anything for it, right? just because it hasn't come out yet, doesn't mean that she can't begin to love it yet. so wouldn't she give her life in order to allow the child one>? i know my mother would do that for me, so why should it be different for the baby just because it's stuck inside a vagina?

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Like I said, I can't see why the baby just can't be taken prematurely. I don't think that anyone really thinks about or can be prepared for facing death, when they become pregnant. This thread is talking about a women in the late stages of her third trimester. Babies are born premature, everyday. I can't see making the mother face death by continuing a dangerous pregnancy. Why should she have to give up her life? Why can't they just deliver the baby at this point?

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"The decision was hailed by pro-abortion rights groups who saw the law as a first step toward restricting abortions and removing a safe option for some seriously ill women."

Actually I believe they are called pro-choice groups.

I use logic said, "I've heard that abortions are more a risk to a mothers health than just having the kid. The womens health thing, its just a very sad excuse used to try to excuse abortion."

You heard that abortions are more of a risk to mothers. The next sentence you declare the "womens health thing" is just an excuse.

Back that up with evidence.


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i think the irresponsible mother just doesn't want the baby to live period, mainly due to the fact that she doesn't want to see it brought up with another person and live its life thinking she is a horrible person. but which action would really make her a horrible person?

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yeah I think that the mother might have a lot of issues and doesn't want the baby to be put somewhere where it would have been cared for

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Disgusting outcome - I am pro-choice, but only through the first trimester. If you don't bloody well have your mind made up on this matter in three months then your mind should be made up for you.

Oh and uhh - nothing to do with the election, so moving!


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Disgusting outcome - I am pro-choice, but only through the first trimester. If you don't bloody well have your mind made up on this matter in three months then your mind should be made up for you.


That is my opinion as well Sean. You do it during the first trimester, or you deliver the kid.


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Sometimes there's a choice: the baby or the mother will live. Usually, doctors save the mother and let the fetus die.

This case was meant by the judge, I think. But I don't know how often this actually happens.


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