I have read a bunch a theories, and seen a bunch of books like "The Big Lie" talking about stock trading, early knowledge, false phone calls, that there was no plane wreckage at the pentagon, that the buildings were 'shot' with missles, Bush just wanted the middle east war, Bid Laden works for the CIA (He was funded at one point) but that he was working with the CIA for the attack, that the ISI wired $100,000 to an Arab terrorist the day before sept.11 (this I think actually happend), etc etc etc ...
What I really want to ask is if anyone has done an unbiased read up on any of these claims and can explain 9/11.
I have found two types of information on the topic, the first being the people who deny all the claims but dont refute many of the odd things that actually did happen, and second there are those consiracy nuts who think the slghtest thing is evidence for a huge US coverup.
No, I was asking for more information. Like in the UK is the 'twin towers coincidence' considered a huge US coverup as some people have written about?
Check out a book called "The Big Lie," its on Amazon, these people are arguing that the 9/11 events were planned by the US, or known by the US to be occuring.
Search "9/11" + "Lie" on google and hundreds of sites will come up explaining all the theories that I am talking about.
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loganc said this in post #3 : No, I was asking for more information. Like in the UK is the 'twin towers coincidence' considered a huge US coverup as some people have written about?
Check out a book called "The Big Lie," its on Amazon, these people are arguing that the 9/11 events were planned by the US, or known by the US to be occuring.
Search "9/11" + "Lie" on google and hundreds of sites will come up explaining all the theories that I am talking about.
There were so many conspiracy stories around that it was difficult to tell who was putting out what story for what reason. Its is generally accepted/reported in the UK that.
a) Some details of the incident were covered up by the US government and subsequently the 'twin towers coincidence' served a number of purposes for them.
It is impossible to know the intent inside peoples minds but the results may show coincidental happenings that can suggest things are not the way we are being told.
That is quite an interesting link you have posted. there have been similar stories about flight 93 on the news over here and at least 1 of those concluded that it was shot down. I would guess that a lot of people would also presume that shooting down a plane heading for Washington (after similar planes have already crashed) would be less devestating in the long run. Why no-one will admit this seems a bigger mystery, especially as it would also back up the story that the reason the hijackers were succesful was due to the military being unprepared for the attack.
I think the other important thing to bear in mind is that the military are not stupid, far from it, they employ the best of the best, psycologists, engineers etc. They know in advance the result of the stories they put out (couple with physical phenomena). The art of military isnt just killing the enemy, its ensuring support for the way their government are doing things, this is their main objective (its still called defence !)
Sorry I cant help with the conspiracy stuff, I havnt seen any convincing 'facts', only coincidences ! Statistically speaking, it's unlikely that we are being given the real story from official channels. Statistics are (statistically) reliable !!!
kula said this in post #2 : It's know as the 'twin towers coincidence' in the UK if that helps !
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I seriously doubt that it is known that way by the better part of the British population. Since you apparently live in the UK, I'll take your word for it that some refer to it in that manner. But if this were a universal expression in the UK, it would show up somewhere on the web. Try running a google on the phrase "twin towers coincidence." You come up with next to nada. The only reference I could find was a website that talked about various coincidences like the number of one of the flights corresponding to certain Hebrews letters that meant something or other. That kind of thing. Sort of like the websites that talk about the strange parrellels between the Kennedy and Lincoln assassinations, i.e. that John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald were born on the same day, etc. etc.
Woolfe, Have you read much of the consiracy theories?
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I was just wondering what you were trying to argue?
There are some odd things that occured on 9/11, that cannot be denied.
Just wondering if you have read about those...
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My post had to to with Kula's remark that 9/11 is known as "the Two Towers Coincidence" in the UK, a claim which I tend to doubt. That's what I was discussing.
Conspiracy theories come and go. All conspiracy theorists have lots of sources, videos, pictures and points about odd and strange things. UFO's, Elvis, the Illuminati, Marylyn Monroe, 9/11, holocaust denial. You name it. For every major event in hostory, there are some people who claim the common perception of that event is inaccurate. You can order off the web 35 books about holocaust denial alone, and many have hundreds of footnotes. Conspiracy theorists put lots of time and effort into "proving" their theories.
When do such theories deserve my attention? When someone who is an expert on the issue, with access to primary sources, and does not have a strong bias, has reviewed the claims and given them some credibility. At that point, they make the mainstream press and significant numbers of people start to believe it. Then everyone of good conscience needs to seriously examine it.
Occasionally such theories are proven correct, and usually it happens quickly. For example, the whole Tonkin Gulf hoax about our ships supposedly being fired on that was used as a justification for the Vietnam war. That claim of the government was quickly debunked and has never been believed since.
Trust me, if these theories have any credibility, eventually they will be talked about and debated by lots of people. Until then, I don't have the time to read every argument of every conspiracy theorist out there.
Is there a specific "odd thing" about 9/11 that's troubling you?
The best lack all conviction, while the worst are filled with passionate intensity.
check out the 11 things I posted a link to earlier ... there not troubling to me, I dont think the CIA was behind it, but something needs to be explined ... like the 100,000$ from the ISI ... http://www.unansweredquestions.org/top_11.html
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Thats kind of what I mean Curley, I am not saying that the US was behind it rather just looking for answers for some wierd occurences around 9/11 ... people are just dismissing it like you did, but I wonder why 100,000$ was paid by the ISI, etc... its not anti-american ... just a question.
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Questions are discouraged in the USA Logan, although it makes for interesting forum conversation I dont think it is possible to create the same atmosphere of free thinking that exists elsewhere in the world, you are up against too much biased US media. Personally, I think it would be refreshing if people understood that world opinion is very different than US and that many citizens of these countries are incredulous as to 'household' US thinking. (If you are into your conspiracy theories then there is much written prior to the twin towers coincidence that predicted that this state of thinking was being introduced to US citizens !)
Think yourself lucky and dont expect too sway too much opinion (thats my general philosophy).
Incidently, here is an interesting website about the flight 93 timeline. I dont know how accurate the info is, but it sounds very genuine and quite believable.
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