TWBR said this in post #14 : Im not very religious, i never read the Quran,
Where did you hear that the Palestinians state the Jews were never in that land?
That actually goes against the Qu'ran, The Quran talks about Israel and the Jews living in that land,
Palestinians destroying Jewish Artifacts? Is there any left? Was there even any? Remember that Muslims ruled this land for many years.....
The Palestinians state that the Jews stole this land in 1948 - I've never seen or heard another date that this started - Basically, some believe that Israel is there only due to WWII and that the jews again, stole it.
hmm, this is A.D. mind you.
let's see here.. time line
i will start here - and during this time - Israel owned ALL of this territory including Gaza that Palestine claims. GAZA was a city of Refuge way back in B.C. and the priests lived there..(I’m being brief, very tired)
Palestine are destroying and taking artifacts from Mt moriah which is the Temple mount – they bulldoze it and built a mosque on it - against the Qu’ran maybe, but they want the land and will blow anyone up who will not let them steal it. They have no claim and everyone in the world says – give it to them you Jews, you don’t deserve your own land that’s been yours for thousands of years.
King Solomon’s temple was there
Solomon’s temple sat here, King Harods
before 1000B.C. or abouts.
Jerusalem becomes Jerusalem (is renamed) - King David laid Claim to this land and made it his Capital. When Solomon was king, he increased the city's size from 11 to 32 acres and built his great Temple there. In the late eighth century B.C., King Hezekiah strengthened the city's defenses by building a 1,750 foot-tunnel around the city's spring. Then, in 587B.C. (500 years later) the Temple, homes, and city walls were destroyed by the Babylonians after a bitter siege, but were later rebuilt.
The new Jerusalem underwent a long period of occupation by the Persians, Greeks, and Romans. Starting in 37B.C. King Herod the Great built stronger walls, the Antonia fortress, a moat, a sumptuous palace, and aqueducts to bring in more water. it was there, in Jerusalem, that Jesus taught, suffered, died, and was buried, and where he rose from the dead.
The city was again destroyed by the Romans in A.D. 70 - After that, it remains a small military camp until CONSTATINE made it a holy Christian city in the 4th Century -
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( not sure of the date, but in 330AD he moved the Roman capital to the city of Byzantium, and renamed it Constantinople, now called Istanbul.
int 395, rome was divided with one emperor in rome and another in constantinople - and in 476 - Germanic tribes took over the throne of rome ) Just wanted to add a little more history there. And jews are still in Israel - that's 1500 years so far or about that.
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Now, according to this history - where do these people that attack, blow up and state Israel is their's come from>?
this is a very small amount of information found in all sorts of resources around the Globe. The information here is from a timeline in the Bible - starting a little before 4000B.C. but i'm going to start with jews moving to Israel.
Now, this big ugly “Temple of the Rock” mosque sits on this site. This IS the site, just as devildog stated I believe, that Isaac was offered up – Still sound like Crap like someone said?
time line here -
really started about 2000B.C. but I’ll start here
1043BC
Saul anointed king
David anointed king
Solomon anointed king
930BC
Divided Kingdom - Israel and Judah
721BC
Israel destroyed by Assyria
586BC
Judah destroyed by Babylon
536BC
King of Persia, conquers Babylon
Zerubbabel and Jews rebuild temple
457BC
Ezra the priest and 1754 Jews return
444BC Mehmiah becomes governor
walls rebuilt
332BC
Alexander the Great invades Judah
323BC
Alexander's kingdom split in 4 parts
168BC
Syrian king sacks Jerusalem
167BC
Maccabean family leads revolution
63BC
Roman general pompey conquers Jerusalem
37BC
Romans appoint Herod king of Judea
4BC-0
Christ is born
30AD
Christ's crucifixion (still no Palestinian people ?wth?)
70AD
Jews rebel, Rome destroys Jerusalem
Jewish people are scattered
Skip ahead here ..too much to post so late.
1948AD
Israel becomes a nation - Muslims say jews steal land
Two days after becoming a nation and right out of the Holocaust
Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq Attack Israel wanting to taste Jewish blood. ALSO - these countries hated the U.S. then - and do today.
1967AD
Arab nations try to destroy Israel in 6 day war, Israel wins
President Nasser of Egypt calls for the destruction of Israel -
so - Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon attack israel, and fail, no surprise there.- and again they wished for the blood of Jews.
As you can see - this is nothing new. Palestine and others will not stop, EVER, until Israel is theirs - as they claim it was theirs.
And as you can see - Jews will NEVER be removed from this world as some, like nothingsacred, wishes they would be.
Now, you may call his crap, but this one is truth - and like i said...there is a lot of Truth in Devildogs - GO DEVILDOGS! Good luck and you tell em i said - God Bless.
P.S. - if you have never read it - how do you know what is in it?
From what people say? They give you the way THEY see the word, same with the Bible...it is always best to read it yourself - you never know when someone is twisting the words around to make you hear what they want you to hear.
Iranian revolution (1979)
PLO founded (1964)
Arab-Israel war (1948)
Muslim Brotherhood founded (1928)
Liberation of countries from colonial rule (1919-1984)
Ottoman Empire divided among European powers (1918)
Layer 5: Modern Period (1918-)
Christian Colonization of N. Africa and Middle East (1815-1900)
Napolean invades Egypt (1798)
Taj Mahal completed (1654)
Mughal dynasty in India (1526-1857)
Safavid dynasty in Iran (1501-1799)
Christians drive last of Moslems out of Spain. (1492)
Ottomans conquer christian Constantinople, rename it Istanbul (1453)
Ottoman Empire (1380-1918)
Muslim States in Southern India (1350-1680)
Dehli Sultanates of North India (1200-1526)
Layer 4: The Later Empires (1258-1918)
Christian Crusades to the Holy Land (1095-1270)
Fatimid Dynasty in Egypt (909-1171)
Authoritative Hadith collections (800s-900s)
Twelver Shiism founded (874)
Ismaili Shiism founded (765)
Abbasid Dynasty (750-1258)
(map)
Shiism separates from rest of ummah (680s)
Umayyad Dynasty (661-750) (map)
Islam moves West across N. Africa to Spain, East to India, and north to Samarkand.
Layer 3: The Early Empires—Classical Islam (661-1258)
Ali (656-661)
(Map of Islam at Ali's death.)
Uthman (644-656)
Text of Quran established
Umar (634-644)
Islam moves West to Egypt, North to Syria, East to Iran.
Abu Bakr (632-634)
Layer 2: Formative stage—Four Righteous Caliphs (632-661)
Mohammed dies. (632)
Mohammed's followers conquer Mecca (630)
Hijra to Medina (622)
Mohammed begins receiving the Quran (611)
Mohammed marries Khadija (595)
Mohammed's birth in Mecca (570)
Layer 1: Origins—Mohammed (570-632)
Timeline of Islamic History
Jewish time line starts - thousands of years BEFORE this one...
this seems to be about the same across the board - multiple web pages... i checked at least 10 or more for continuity
Over a decade studying Islam? Well then.... of coarse you know why they haven't offered up THEIR rendition then. It's because they can't find one single flaw in my post.
Now, you may call his crap, but this one is truth - and like i said...there is a lot of Truth in Devildogs - GO DEVILDOGS! Good luck and you tell em i said - God Bless.
lol - over a decade studying the history of both..more christian history then Islam, but i do know a great deal about Islam too, since i know Muslims that will answer questions - but they are friends, so i would not ask them anything they may be uncomfy with - if you get my drift.
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I knew about the rocks and that Black one etc...but you did state some things that I had heard about - but not as in depth as you had posted.
- I'm a Christian, but haven't always been ....And i hold nothing against those of other religions, faiths, or those that have none.
We all have a choice in the world - that is a gift that was given to us.
You are studying the Muslim timeline okay, but does that mean Palestinians couldn't have existed before Islam? They are and were always an ARAB nation (there is a difference!). Arabs were around way before Muslims. Palestinians claim to be descendants of the Canaanites who were there before Israalites, and the Philistines who were there about the same time.
But even if they were there first (Israelis) ....
WHO CARES?
That was thouands of years ago. As Britain owned many parts of the world under their empire hundreds of years ago could they now turn around and demand their land back?
sure, that was thousands of years ago - and that shows that the jews, have always been there as well. So, what gives Arabs the right to keep blowing themselves up?
Certain passages of the Qu'ran forbid such actions - yet they do it in the name of their religion, which is WHY Islam has been called a "violent" religion - the actions of those who claim they do this in the name of religion and in the name of their god, have conditioned the people of the world to believe it is violent - as that appears to be the only thing coming from the world of their religion.
I know that they do other things as well - but that is the reason they have been sterotyped as such.
If they change, it will change - but they must understand that as well as we.
My main point of posting all of that was this - they have NO proof at all that they WERE ever there. Jews do, they have several thousand years of proof - Arabs do not. I have never found any concrete information, but i would be willing to read the information if anyone would like to post some.
But, this information should come from a non-bias place or i will not bother reading it - any stuff i have found regarding this, seems to reference death to Americans, christians, and jews in the middle of something that seemed worth reading.
Arabs have lived in the land for a long time now, it has been an Arab state for thousands of years now, not a Jewish state. It was wrong that the Jews suddenly decided to come back and declare they should have it back.
Dreamzwalker said this in post #23 : sure, that was thousands of years ago - and that shows that the jews, have always been there as well. So, what gives Arabs the right to keep blowing themselves up?
Those are two different subjects and it would not be fair to put them both together because thats not the reason why Palestinians are blowing them selves up.
The jews never really left - just others kept taking over
They were just attacked time and time again by Arabs (and still are today) - Thousands of years? show me the time line - I have backed mine up and i asked someone to post otherwise and no one will.
I wonder why that is...
At one point in this "Jewish presence" in Palestine there were app. only 2 recorded Jewish families living in the land.
Ye right, they "never really left."
There are many countries that Jews have "never really left" for thousands of years. After all their a religion, not a race, they scatter around the world. Doesn't make it their country does it?
Exscuse me, were their more Muslims or Jews at the beginning of the 20th century (in Palestine)??
devildog said this in post #27 : I think they're beginning to get the picture.
nah, I do not believe so. They spend more time making fun of Christian and
Jewish beliefs instead of actually defending theirs. Which I find most
interesting. They say "its a bunch of crap..", and instead of writing a rebuttle - they come out and show the hate of Fanatics by Attacking another faith ????? wth? Shouldn't you defend your own before attacking another>? I would have.
Let's see here - only 2 jewish families? Let me see it - post it -
and it better be non-bias compared to those links that have been posted.
The links that you people have been posting come directly from personal webpages or organizations ran by those who hate jews -(those as the other Government links not related directly to Arabs or jews are good) -
but other then that the information can be represented in a bias, untruthful manner due to spite that these two people have towards each other. There has been a few good links worthy of reading - but that stupid one about trying to show bombs in the upper floors of the twin towers was ludicrious. Whoever put that together clearly beleived that those looking at the still frames seconds after the plane blew up and didn't put much into it - they relied heavly on stupidity.
They also relied on the fact that people do not know architecture and assemblage - plus, the manner in which fire rolls - such as backdraft and other fire movements which does cause windows and other objects appear to explode in a much more dramatic and powerful way - bombs indeed.
Now i could go in and edit the film and make it like that if i wanted to.
I could add more fire, smoke and even explosions in lightwave, compile it in after effects or combustion or other program, and then edit in in premeire or final cut pro.
How could i do this you say?
Because i know how - i'm in special effects, editing, video, 3d animation and so on. The person with this webpage wouldn't survive art appreciation...
The only bomb that day was the one attached to an 11 year old somewhere because a terrorist bomber was going to get paid for sending his child out to die.
You defenders of terrorist did know that right? That they get PAID X amount of money to blow up?
you know..that's a rather stupid belief.
here we go - example. I'm a stupid little terrorist bomber living in poverty, i hate the jews just because they smell different then i do - even though Genealogy proves that many many years ago, we were the same people Arabs and Jews...Hard to believe? You do the Genealogy - they both came from Abraham - and both books Islam and Jewish, state this. anyways.
I'm poor because we keep fighting and will not call a peace - although if there was peace we would have billions and billions of dollars from tourists and not be poor anymore. My family needs money. I need money. I am offered 50k to blow myself up. Payment to family IN FULL lmao yeah right - if i do this.
I run to a populated area that mainly consists of shoppers, children and women - i yell "For my 72 future VIRGINS!" and blow up.
How did i know that those that hired me, promised my family money wasn't going to pay up after my death?
Well, duh!
your not around to collect your money anymore...
Listen, i dont know who you are or where some one is feeding you all of that crap that you typed but you are wrong on so many points that it begins to make me angry. You are not even aware that to this day there is an enormous boulder floating above the ground at the site where Prophet Muhammad(p.b.u.h) ascended to the heavens. the one where you claimed that"gabriel had to hold it back so it wouldn't follow..." you are ignorant trash, how about you visit that site since you know so much before putting a smart remark about a rock flying up to hit Allah in the eye or something. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THAT FLOATING ROCK??? ARE YOU IGNORANT? HERE LET ME POST FOR YOU SO YOU WILL ACTUALLY HAVE SEEN A DIVINE REMNANT OF SOMEONE THAT YOU HAVE DISGRACED SO MUCH, PROPHET MUHAMMAD(P.B.U.H) SHAME ON YOU FOR YOUR UGLY PORTRAYAL OF SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT
04-07-2004 06:32 AM
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