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This is so sad. I was hoping they'd find this girl alive.



SARASOTA, Florida (CNN) --
A suspect has been charged in the kidnapping and death of 11-year-old Carlie Brucia, whose body has been found, Sarasota County Sheriff Bill Balkwill said Friday.

The suspect, Joseph Smith, was jailed Tuesday on unrelated drug and probation violation charges.

A surveillance video camera caught the girl's abduction Sunday behind a car wash, and her disappearance has received national media attention. Her remains were found behind a church near Interstate 75 in the Sarasota area, law enforcement sources said.

The Brucia family has been notified, authorities said.

"Our sympathy goes out to the entire family of Carlie," Balkwill said tearfully.

Late Thursday, Carlie's stepfather, Steve Kansler, said he had been told that DNA evidence had been found in a 1992 Buick Century station wagon believed to have been used in the kidnapping. Kansler said he did not know the specifics of the evidence.

Investigators impounded the station wagon Wednesday. Balkwill urged those in the area to try to remember whether they had seen the vehicle between Sunday afternoon and Tuesday.

Police subsequently arrested Smith based on a tip from his housemate.

Authorities said Thursday that Smith was not cooperating with the investigation.

Balkwill said there have been more than 750 leads in the case.

In the videotape, recorded just after 6:20 p.m. ET Sunday, a white man in some kind of a work uniform is seen approaching Carlie. He briefly speaks to her as she hesitates, then takes her by the forearm and leads her away.

The man in the video has tattoos on his forearms.

NASA experts and those at the FBI's lab in Washington worked to enhance the videotape to get a clearer image of the man's face, tattoos and apparent name tag on his shirt.

The images have been enhanced and are in Sarasota. Balkwill said the images will be released to the public soon.

Authorities searched Smith's home and a field behind it Wednesday and found nothing immediately linking him to the girl's disappearance, a law enforcement source involved in the investigation said.

Forensic examinations are being conducted on certain items taken in the search, the source said.

The public defender's office said Smith's two attorneys had no comment on the case.

Smith's criminal record in the area dates to 1993, when he was convicted of aggravated battery and sentenced to probation.

In November 1997, Smith was arrested on a charge of kidnapping and false imprisonment in neighboring Manatee County. He was acquitted of those charges a year later.

According to records from the Manatee County Sheriff's Department, a woman accused Smith of grabbing her as she was walking along a street and threatening to "cut her if she failed to remain quiet."

A passing vehicle stopped and intervened, allowing her to flee, records said.

The records also said Smith told authorities "he had been in an altercation earlier" that evening "and wanted somebody to walk with."

A few months before, Smith was convicted of carrying a concealed weapon -- a knife, according to his arrest record from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.


Authorities have charged Joseph Smith. 37, in the girl's kidnapping and death.
Smith has faced numerous drug charges. In 2001, he was convicted of heroin possession, possession of controlled substances and attempting to obtain controlled substances by fraudulent means. He served a little more than a year in prison. He was on probation when he was arrested Tuesday.

A woman who lives with him said she has known Smith and his ex-wife as well as their three children for many years. She would not say how long he has been living with her.

"He never knew the dark side of anybody," she said.

Smith's neighbor, Ron Thompson, said he was shocked to hear of his arrest.

"[He] has three beautiful little girls," Thompson said. "And he just adored them. And he played with them. And he took good care of them. It's just a different picture than what we see today."

Smith's criminal record in the area dates to 1993, when he was convicted of aggravated battery and sentenced to probation.

In November 1997, Smith was arrested on a charge of kidnapping and false imprisonment in neighboring Manatee County. He was acquitted of those charges a year later.

According to records from the Manatee County Sheriff's Department, a woman accused Smith of grabbing her as she was walking along a street and threatening to "cut her if she failed to remain quiet."

A passing vehicle stopped and intervened, allowing her to flee, records said.

The records also said Smith told authorities "he had been in an altercation earlier" that evening "and wanted somebody to walk with."

A few months before, Smith was convicted of carrying a concealed weapon -- a knife, according to his arrest record from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.


Authorities have charged Joseph Smith. 37, in the girl's kidnapping and death.
Smith has faced numerous drug charges. In 2001, he was convicted of heroin possession, possession of controlled substances and attempting to obtain controlled substances by fraudulent means. He served a little more than a year in prison. He was on probation when he was arrested Tuesday.

A woman who lives with him said she has known Smith and his ex-wife as well as their three children for many years. She would not say how long he has been living with her.

"He never knew the dark side of anybody," she said.

Smith's neighbor, Ron Thompson, said he was shocked to hear of his arrest.

"[He] has three beautiful little girls," Thompson said. "And he just adored them. And he played with them. And he took good care of them. It's just a different picture than what we see today."


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Fla. Girl in Videotape Abduction Case Found Dead


TAMPA, Fla. - The body of a missing 11-year-old Florida girl whose abduction was captured on a surveillance videotape was found early on Friday and a man has been charged with her murder, police said.



The abduction of Carlie Brucia, a sixth-grader from Sarasota, attracted national attention because it was caught on camera. A huge search had been mounted in the area.


Brucia disappeared on Sunday afternoon while she was walking home alone from a friend's house.


As she walked behind a closed car wash, a surveillance camera showed a man approaching the girl, grabbing her arm and leading her away.


A Sarasota man, Joseph Smith, was arrested on Tuesday and is believed to be the man seen in the video.


Sarasota County Sheriff Bill Balkwill said Brucia's body had been found shortly after midnight, but did not disclose the location or give any other details.


Smith has been charged with Brucia's murder, he said.


"Our sympathy goes out to the entire family," Balkwill told a news conference.


Brucia was a student at a Sarasota middle school.



Has anyone seen that video? It looked to me as if she was not forced to go....but willingly went along....I was stunned...

Maybe he forced her to an extent...but I was just surprised to not see her kicking and screaming....

I was horrified at that video!

I guess we should be glad he is in custody, although that isnt much consolation for her family...

Very very sad!!


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It's absolutely tragic, everyone in Sarasota is in mourning right now, they have a vigil planned for tonight. Is scares the hell out of me. It's practically in my backyard! My oldest niece is her age and I've already decided to take her and my 9 year old niece to self defense classes.

I saw the tape too and the only thing that looked forced about it was he had a grip on her wrist and not her hand. I'd love to get this guy alone for five minutes. I'm so furious about this!


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It's absolutely tragic, everyone in Sarasota is in mourning right now, they have a vigil planned for tonight. Is scares the hell out of me. It's practically in my backyard! My oldest niece is her age and I've already decided to take her and my 9 year old niece to self defense classes.

I saw the tape too and the only thing that looked forced about it was he had a grip on her wrist and not her hand. I'd love to get this guy alone for five minutes. I'm so furious about this!


You know...Ive been telling my son since he could understand that if any stranger were to accost him, that he is to run scream and all out have a fit....it could very well save his life....

I wonder if her parents ever told her what to do in case of a situation like this?

I think its great that you are taking your niece to self defense classes....it could save her life one day!

Five minutes alone with this guy? Hmm...it would only take me a minute to shoot him in the nuts....

You know how when your standing in line at the store and the person behind you only has one item and you let them go ahead of you...well since my time with the guy would only be one minute....can I go ahead of you? I promise to only make him be in pain so that you get your shot at him also!


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Yes, you set him up, I'll finish him off! No, that's not fair, I'll let the family finish him off!
It's funny about the stranger issue, my sister, brother-in-law and I have all told my oldest niece "Don't talk to strangers!" But then when she'd go somewhere with us and strike up a conversation with a friendly-looking man, claiming he wasn't a stranger, he was just a nice man!! (Heart attack, HEART ATTACK)
Kids often perceive strangers as dark, lurky, scary people. With child predators that's rarely ever the way they initially come across to their targets. They lure kids in with the promise of puppies, candy or asking the kid for help. I guess a good experiment would be, when teaching kids about strangers, is to show them two pictures; one of a shady looking man and one of a smiling man holding a cute little puppy, and then ask the kids which person they would talk to if they met them?
I don't know what the answer is to keeping our kids safe nowadays. What the hell is wrong with the world?? Why are there so many monsters in it????


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I am so saddened by that little girls death. 11 years old and not safe to be alone. There are too many sickos out there. He did grab her arm, but you do not know what he said to her. She may have seen him before and thought he was a nice person. I think he stalked her and set her up. That guy should be castrated, then give him the death penalty. My prayers go out to Carlie's family.

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So much that's fudged up here. I mean, this a-hole was acquitted of nearly doing the same thing years before. He's a druggie. Keep these people locked up. I can't wait until he goes to prison and gets loved like only his fellow inmates can love him.

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There is no punishment for him that would be just enough for me.

Nothing will bring the girl he murdered back.

Death to Joseph P. Smith. Die.


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Feb. 9 ? While Carlie Brucia's father questions why Joseph P. Smith, the man accused of killing his daughter, was roaming the streets of Sarasota, Fla., as a free man, a woman who claims she narrowly escaped Smith's clutch seven years ago says the system simply failed. Teri Stinson says she still remembers all the details of the frightening night she encountered Smith, who she said lunged from some bushes near the highway and grabbed her as she walked to a friend's house in Bradenton, Fla.

"I lost my footing on my side of the rail and fell on my back. He landed on top of me and said that he would cut me," Stinson said on ABCNEWS' Good Morning America.

Stinson said she believed the man, who she had never seen before, intended to rape and kill her. She said she was able to wriggle away from Smith as he tried to pull her to her feet. When she stopped a van of vacationing golfers, Smith ran off and the men helped Stinson call police.

While Smith was charged with the kidnapping and false imprisonment of Stinson, a jury acquitted him. In his defense presented to the court, he said he meant the woman no harm.

Stinson said she was surprised by the jury's acquittal and believes the system failed her and Carlie.

"This is a person that should have been locked away for a very long time, for just even attempting to kidnap somebody," she said.

Four years before Stinson reported her highway attack, there was another woman who claimed she was violently attacked by Smith in 1993. The woman, Michelle Warner, said Smith broke her nose with a motorcycle helmet when she encountered him as she walked home from a Sarasota beach club. Smith pleaded no contest to the charge and was sentenced to 60 days in the county jail and two years of probation.

Hurt and Angry

From those who knew 11-year-old Carlie, whose body was found behind a church Friday morning, there have been claims that the justice system failed the young girl by letting Smith roam free.

"As far as this individual being out on the street, I really find the decisions made by some of these judges very questionable and I would ask the governor to look into this," said Joe Brucia, Carlie's father.

In a news conference today, Joe Brucia said he was satisfied with the work investigators did when searching for his daughter.

At the time of Carlie's abduction, Smith was on probation after serving time for prescription fraud. Late last year, a judge was asked to declare Smith in violation of the terms of his probation because he had not paid all his fines and court costs. But Smith remained free.

Now under attack, Sarasota Circuit Judge Harry Rapkin, the last judge to have handled Smith's case, held a news conference this weekend, defending his decision.

There's no "debtor's prison" in Florida and Smith wouldn't have been held simply for not paying a bill, the judge said.

Rapkin says he has been receiving threatening telephone calls for his handling of Smith's case, even though Smith was never in his courtroom.

Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist says his office is already looking into whether the state's probation laws need more teeth to deal with repeat offenders like Smith.

"It's very frustrating for all of us," Crist said. "Obviously you learn from cases like this whenever they occur. It is one of the most tragic situations I think any of us have witnessed," he said.

Long Record

Smith, a 37-year-old father, has been on probation almost continually since 1993.

In 1997, he was put on one year's probation on a concealed weapons charge for carrying a five-inch knife hidden in the waistband of his shorts.

In 1999, he was arrested for heroin possession and was put on probation for 18 months. A month later, he was arrested for prescription fraud, but the charge was dropped.

The next year, he was arrested again for prescription fraud and sentenced to six months of house arrest followed by a year on probation. Meanwhile, Smith's drug use became a legally complicated matter, according to a probation officer's account in court records. The officer said it was impossible to tell if one of Smith's positive drug test results was from an illegal drug or a legitimate prescription of Oxycontin for chronic back pain.

?Ultimate Price?

Carlie was abducted on Sunday, Feb. 1, in Sarasota as she took a shortcut home that led her past a car wash. The business' motion-activated camera caught a shot of Carlie walking and then a man as he walked up to her and said a few words before grabbing her arm.

Authorities said that more than 400 phone tips from the public led authorities to link Smith to the car wash's surveillance video.

Carlie's father, Joe Brucia, said today that a fund being established in response to the tragedy shouldn't be named the Brucia Family Fund. He'd like the fund to be renamed the "Carlie Brucia Rescue Fund," since the money should go to all families who needs help with a missing child.

"I think that would be more appropriate and it would make Carlie happy," he said.

Capt. Jeff Bell of the Sarasota, Fla., sheriff's department says there is no way Smith will be set free again.

"We now stand ready to complete our obligation, and assure you that he will pay the ultimate price for what he did to her [Carlie]," Bell said.
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Well....the system failed in this case didnt it!

Its ashame it had to take one dead girl in order to right the wrong!

How could a jury find him innocent of the charges against the kidnapping of Stinson? What kind of yeehaws were serving on that jury? Makes me wonder how they feel about Carlie knowing they set this psycho free.



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My sentiments exactly Mystic. I'm SUPER PISSED about this case! Even one of his good friends contacted Smith's probation officer because his drug binges were getting out of hand and he was becoming more dangerous.

The probation officer asked for his probation to be revoked and the judge let him walk.

WHY DO WE CONTINUE TO CROWD THE PRISONS WITH NON-VIOLENT CRIMINALS AND LET THE VIOLENT OFFENDERS BACK OUT INTO THE STREET???


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The problem is prison. Putting people away for periods of time does nothing but allow them to think about what they have done and hopefully realize they have been removed from society because of their crime. With a lot of people, I'd think it has a more negative affect than positive. Meaning, they build up contempt over time and when released back into society, they unload their anger on the innocents of the world, like Carlie.

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My sentiments exactly Mystic. I'm SUPER PISSED about this case! Even one of his good friends contacted Smith's probation officer because his drug binges were getting out of hand and he was becoming more dangerous.

The probation officer asked for his probation to be revoked and the judge let him walk.

WHY DO WE CONTINUE TO CROWD THE PRISONS WITH NON-VIOLENT CRIMINALS AND LET THE VIOLENT OFFENDERS BACK OUT INTO THE STREET???


That judge tried to defend himself....Im sorry...I dont buy it!

When a probation officer makes his recommendation to the court that a person should go back...it means they SHOULD go back!

Im still stunned over the verdict by that jury....I would LOVE to know what types of people they were that they did not listen to one thing that the Stinson girl said and what the guys in the van had to say....what in the hell were they doing during their testimony? Sleeping? Like I said..complete yeehaws! Well...I hope they lose massive sleep in their trailers. Okay..that wasnt nice of me to say..I should delete it right now...but I wont because Im too angry right now to do that...!!!!


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The problem is prison. Putting people away for periods of time does nothing but allow them to think about what they have done and hopefully realize they have been removed from society because of their crime. With a lot of people, I'd think it has a more negative affect than positive. Meaning, they build up contempt over time and when released back into society, they unload their anger on the innocents of the world, like Carlie.


Just out of curiousity....what do you suppose should happen to them? Give them death right away? We cant just go around killing everyone until they have gone through the necessary steps...

I mean I know this guy did it...but if we went on that theory (not that you are suggesting it) we would have killed many innocent people on death row that were exonerated 25 years after their crime by DNA...

I dont think anyone really knows the answer Yes....I would love to inject this guy now because he did it for sure, no ifs, ands or buts...

Well...okay...I change my mind to a point here....maybe in cases like this we should spare ourselves the expense and just get rid of the vermin...we know he did it..and he should pay...and pay NOW not 9-11 years from now.

im good to go with this one!


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What I said probably doesn't apply to Smith since his time in jail was not for violent offenses (to my knowledge).

I don't know what should be done to/with people who commit such acts as he has. My emotions tell me he should die, but reason tells me nothing can really be done to change what he did and that to prevent him for repeating, he must be put out of society, which does not have to mean death.


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he must be put out of society, which does not have to mean death.


Hmmm...thats an interesting thought...I was hoping you would have expanded on it...

How so could we do that? Bannishment? Maybe on a deserted Island somewhere?

That reminds me of that movie The Island of Dr. Moreau. Was that the name of the movie?...


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I still think the best punishment would be a 6X9 cell, cot, toilet, sink and that's it. Line the walls with pictures of Carlie throughout her life and letters from her friends and family. Let him sit for the rest of his miserable existence consumed with the knowledge of what he did and reminded of it every day.
Forget recreation too. No gym time, no basketball courts, no computer rooms, no libraries, just sit in that cell, eating 3 meals of bread and water a day for the rest of his life.

I'm all for the death penalty when it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the person is guilty. What bothers me about it is that the punishment never fits the crime. When Joseph p. Smith dies for his crime, he'll do it peacefully in his sleep via lethal injection. I hardly think that's a fitting enough punishment for what he probably did to her.
The courts will NEVER allow it, but we really should let the punishment fit the crime. Kill him in the exact way he killed her. Rape him, beat him, cut him and leave him for dead.

I'm sorry I'm not usually like this but as I said I'm so pissed about this case!


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