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In the past three years police have been cracking down on prostitution. How it used to be confined to just one area, now it seems to be going on in other neighborhoods. It is like the police chase the prostitutes from one neighborhood to another. This proves the war on prostitution is a failure. Besides that what happened to individual freedom anyway?

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I take it you've been busted before

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I take it you've been busted before


I wasnt going to comment....but that was funny!


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i was disgusted / appaled at the thread's name but dekka00 , you just made me laugh, i was so angry but just had to smile,

*serious*
just an awful thread to start.....
no comments except that dekka00 made the biggest point , (sorry frank)


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Individual freedom? They're breaking the law. The police have every right to prevent them from soliciting in public places. That's why people should apply for licenses to operate a brothel. My theory is - you can't get rid of them, they've been around for centuries. But what you can do is get them off the streets.

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I think thats right too, as long as they are in a brothel out of my way, where I don't have to see them, I have no problem with prostitutes. But street-walkers, I hate them and the men (and i guess woman too) that cruise the street trying to pick them up.

Normal woman walking down the streets at night in these areas get harrassed and threatened and it is real scary to be approached at night by a guy in a car, especially if you are alone and especially if that guy has a certain something in mind for you.

I also think (well I know of some here in Australia) brothels prostitutes are "better" than street walkers, most brothels here insist on HIV/ AIDS, etc testing every three months, all clients showering before obtaining services and have a body check for obvious dieases, all sexual activity is protected, and the girls have bouncers availabel to get rough clients out.

It is a much happier and healthier environment for everyone involved and even those who aren't involved.


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I agree with you, Schmiggens. Brothels are better for everyone concerned. Good for the public, because you can drive down the street and not see women soliciting themselves. Good for the clients, because they can access the services they want in privacy, and be ensured that they can be safe. Good for the prostitutes themselves, because they have protection from rough or violent customers.

Street soliciting should still remain illegal, but I think that it should be easier for people to obtain brothel licenses. Still maintain the high standards, but don't charge such high taxes, because that decreases the safety.


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sorry, but WTF???
how can you both LADIES talk about these sort of things that its just a nothing a normal thing??
i dont care if its been around centuries and centuries, but the point is just awful, just degrading to women , i would have expected men to make this thread go further but....

wasn't gonna say anything but my blood boiled to its limits and started bubbling, dont care you calling me sexist pig, male chovanist (spelling?) but i stand by my point that it degrades women.


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I personally think it's more degrading to men than women, but if women are willing to sell something that men want.... hey, supply and demand


you won't see me there though.


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Well Imran that is not the only thing that degrades women, you know but listen it's here and there is no way to get rid of it.............. we have a BIG problem with this sorta thing in LA and no matter what's been done to stop it, it just shows up again.................. so having said that , I agree with Neo and Schimiggens................ at least keeping it confined within a brothel we don't have to see it............. and it is safe for both parties!

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Let's all move to Nevada where Prostitution is legal and red-light houses are green-lighted. I have no quarrel with health inspected pro lovers of either sex. It's a method of earning an above average income and compares to topless [and some bottomless] dancers. These people work plenty hard and deserve every dollar they make. If drugs are involved, then I disapprove, because drug induced behavior is bad bad stuff. But if the pros are drug free I think it is no different than high income notables doing commercials [which I think is much worse.} or Martha Stewart {Millionare-ess} making more money on inside info. I rest my case.

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In San Diego County, they passed a law that gives them the power to seize your car. You have to pay blue book to get it back. I just don't want to see prostitutes on the streets. I don't want a red light district anywhere near my home either.

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I was going to stay out of this discussion but I am compelled to post.
I had a few friends who worked in the sex industry. Two of them are dead now. And this was before AIDS became a threat. One of the girls was only a teenager, my age at the time. She was working the streets because she wanted money and she had a an alcohol problem. She moved to Portland and was murdered.

One of my other friends was in the same situation, plus a drug addiction. She was really well paid. She worked in New Orleans half of the year. Eventually she shot herself.

I knew these women quite well. (no, silly not like that) They could not survive the horrible treatment and used drugs and alcohol to get through it. Unlike some of the others I knew who worked the streets.

If prostitution was a legal and regulated industry, they would not have been allowed to work in it.

I think prostitution should be legal and regulated. It is your body and you get to decide if it is right for you. Women should never be forced to work in the sex industry, and many are. There are many women and men who like having sex and I am sure they would love to get paid for it, legally.

If the industry were regulated there would be less of a health issue, mandatory testing. The workers would be honest and not rip off their customers. And the amount of women that would have drug and alcohol problems would decrease significantly. It would not be legal to work in the industry if you were chemically dependent.

Unfortunately prostitution is illegal. Which means that the majority of the women working in the industry are chemically dependent and/or are being forced (physically/mentally/chemically) to continue working illegally on the streets.

Legal prostitution would be run like any other business. It would look just like a hotel. There is a place and a time for the activity.

Prostitution as it is now, lets workers out on the streets and the police just move them from neighborhood to neighborhood. At least until they run out of neighborhoods. It attracts drug trafficking, mugging and abuse. There are people doing it in cars, in alleys, in bushes and the like all over your neighborhood.

I know because my neighborhood has been having this problem for over a year.

Legal prostitution allows those who WANT to work in that profession to do so.

Illegal prostitution enslaves drug addicts to a life they probably would not have chosen. The money is fast and easy, so are the drugs.

Prostitution is illegal in America because:
the police get job security ($$)
the lawyers get $$
the courts get $$
the bail bonds get $$
the newspaper has a story ($$)
the johns (customers) get busted (again losing $$)
Property gets seized ($$)

It is worth way too much money as something illegal.


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Re: Legalize Prostitution post #14  quote:

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Besides that what happened to individual freedom anyway?


What happened to decent streets where you can drive through without anyone coming up to your window, or calling out for "dates" or prancing around half naked or brining in trouble?

I never thought I would see the day where Americans wanted to legalize drugs, prostitution and homosexuality.

Oh yeah... it's the same country that wants to remove God's name from the public. That explains it.


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Kooka, the point of legalizing prostitution is to get it off the streets and regulated.

Homosexuality is not illegal.

And drugs are LEGAL, have you never watched TV? Prilosec, Claritin (now over the counter by the way), and on and on and on...


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I had a few friends who worked in the sex industry. Two of them are dead now. And this was before AIDS became a threat. One of the girls was only a teenager, my age at the time. She was working the streets because she wanted money and she had a an alcohol problem. She moved to Portland and was murdered.

One of my other friends was in the same situation, plus a drug addiction. She was really well paid. She worked in New Orleans half of the year. Eventually she shot herself.

I knew these women quite well. (no, silly not like that) They could not survive the horrible treatment and used drugs and alcohol to get through it. Unlike some of the others I knew who worked the streets.


I also knew a girl who was a hooker and she loved it. She was a high class hooker who only was with rich guys, she ran her own "business" out of her apartment with a large male friend on hand whenever she had clients in case they got too out of control in any way.

She was absolutely raking the money in, her apartment was one of those that we mere mortals only dream about, she had a porsche and lived the life of luxery for years and years and years and then (a-la Pretty Woman) she met an older rich man who said he needed a permanent "mistress" but without all the relationship stuff and she agreed.

He pays her $10,000.00 AUS per month to be at his beck and call when he is in the country (about a week out of every month) and she does whatever she wants when he doesn't need her.

She still has other clients even though she doesn't need the money know she has her "sugar daddy", she says she likes it, she likes most of the people, likes the money and is so used to the lifestyle now, she would not know what else to do.

She started as a topless waitress, then did stripping, then did prostitution. So prostitution is not always about drug debts and pimps and pressure like people percieve it, some hookers do like what they do and if they are fine with that, then I am fine with that.


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You see, she was a smart business woman. Her product was sex. Society looks down on her because she sells the most taboo product on the planet, sex.

If she sold the latest diet fad she would be a genius, but no she chose something else.

And she is dripping in $$ because of it.

I am really tired of the double standard in our world that sys women cannot do this legally, but have to marry a rich man (or many men) to achieve wealth. Isin't marrying for money the same as legal prostitution? I think it is.

And just to add another facet to this thread, what about all of the women who are selling themselves on the internet. You can watch but cannot touch. They don't have sex with anyone, yet that is illegal in most places.

The sex industry is a multi-billion dollar industry. When you make something a taboo, you will get rich off of it.

Look at pop star Madonna, she has made a huge amount of $$ over her career off of taboo. Smart business woman that she is.


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Outsider those aren't the drugs I'm talking about. I'm talking about the current illegal drugs, like pot, that people want to legalize.

And legalizing prostitution doesn't make it right. If getting corrupt morals off the streets means legalizing what is currently immoral, then we've stooped to a whole new low.

Hey, let's legalize everything else we consider immoral. Maybe it will just go away since it's now legal. Hmmm... let's legalize half time at all ball games to include undressing.

Let's legalize streaking

Let's legalize naked commercials

Get my point?


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Drugs made by a pharmaceutical are no less dangerous than street drugs. Nor are they harder to get. Sometimes it is easier to get them.

I don't see the harm in streaking. If you live in a snow region, you are just crazy. Nudity is not shameful.

Naked commercials routinely run in Europe.

Legalizing prostitution is no different than someone marrying and divorcing for money.

And Kooka, I am sure most of the fans at ball games would be in favor of undressing at half time.

Personally I prefer no sporting events, especially NAKED sporting events.


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How is your post off topic? It looks on topic to me, as you were answering my post, which was also on topic... but ok. I see where you are coming from. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

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Peaceful debate, that is the key, children.

On a more serious note, prostitution is something that cannot be eradicated. Everything has an equal and opposite. If there are faithful people, there would be unfaithful ones too. If there are righteous ones, there would be corrupts too. They only thing you can do is to move it out of the public eye, I think. It would be out of sight, out of mind. But you cannot remove it completely, I think.


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I was off topicing about the drug thing.

I realize Kooka we have different opinions and I know why. You are coming at this from moral, black or white, right or wrong, stance. And I am coming from this in an ethical stance of gray areas, and how does my decision effect the big picture. I am not so sure that we disagree on the issue as much, as we disagree how to approach the issue.

And Adi, you are correct. It will never go away.

So how about making it as safe as possible for those who are in the industry and for those who are not.


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alcohol is legal. If marijuana is illegal, alcohol should be illegal. It's way more dangerous and harmful to society than marijuana.

but, whatever. The concept of a law is pretty stupid anyway.


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alcohol is legal. If marijuana is illegal, alcohol should be illegal. It's way more dangerous and harmful to society than marijuana.

but, whatever. The concept of a law is pretty stupid anyway.


I agree with that Dekka, you can go home and drink a bottle of wine and then some every night and no one bats an eyelid, you go home andhave one joint and suddently your a drug addict with no hopes, bludging off society, etc.

If one thing is legal, then any other comparable thing should be legal too.

So if it is legal to sell your eggs, legal to sell your sperm, legal to sell your opinion, your voice, your muscular ability, and many other parts of your body/ person, then why should it be illegal to sell "use" of your private parts too?

As long as the woman and men involved are all consenting adults what do I care if money changes hands? Why does anyone care? You're not paying for it, get off their backs.


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And the thing that really ticks me off the most is...

How come all of the half naked bodies and the suggestive innuendos about sex in the advertising industry are okay to sell products, but it's not okay to sell sex?

The adult industry is a 10 billion dollar industry. The cosmetics industry is approx. 20 billion.

So it's okay to use sex to sell products but not to actually sell sex? How does this make sense?


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agree post #26  quote:

Btw very good point made by the previous person. I agee.
Firstly they don't arrest the porstitutes themselves, they arrest the people who use tham and its their body. They can do whta they want with it. Its like killing someone who attepted to commit suicide but failed. They don't do it anymore but its just weird. <ADVERTISEMENT REMOVED>


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Outsider you couldn't have said it better............. in this country it is okay to use sex as a means to sell your products but it's not okay to sell sex............ I am sorry but in my opinion that is what they are selling!! As to the prostitution issue............... it is NOT going to go away people so get used to it............ I would rather have it controlled than hidden, it would be a lot safer for those involved if it were to be legalized, as it can then be controlled. The laws here make NO sense when the illegalize one thing but legalize another, that has the same effect. Dekka made a good point about it. Marijuana is illegal but alcohol, which is more addictive btw, is legal?? how stupid is that?? Also, prescription drugs which are more harmful than pot (ie Vicodin) are easier to get and prescribed as easily as tylenol............ I know because that is what my surgeon told me to take after my shoulder injury.............. if you guys want to ban drugs, then BAN them all............... get rid of prozac for bored housewives and zoloft, remeron, luvox and so on and so on............ don't just pick and choose as you see fit!!!! and homosexuality is NOT illegal Kooka, you might not like it but that does not make it illegal...........until you people learn to accept things that do not fit into your "okay" areas, this country is going to continue going to hell!!!!

just my 2 cents.................


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well in Virginia, "sodomy" is technically illegal (homsexual or heterosexual.)



but how in the world would anyone catch you doing that?!


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I supoose if the guy being sodomized complains to the police and the doctors find by examination that the person is telling the truth.

Personally, I find the very idea (of sodomy) disgusting.


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Seek and ye shall get !

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