I wanna hear some opinions on human cloning? Should it be allowed? Is it unethical? Is it OK to clone organs for transplants. Would it be a good idea to create a human clone. Would it have a soul. What would some benefits be? Opinions please.
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I don't see a Biblical reason to oppose it... however, I think the issue is more with the moral questions. Who would the clone belong to? What rights would a clone have? would they be used for spare parts? And think of the life a clone would have... being poked and prodded all their life to see how they are developing. And what about the first generations of clones, they would be the test version, living in labs, with no rights...
I think they would be human, and they would have a soul... since it is God that gives us souls, and it is God that gives life, if the clone were allowed to be manufactured, and God gave it life, I don't see why he would'nt also give the clone a soul.
"I think they would be human, and they would have a soul... since it is God that gives us souls, and it is God that gives life, if the clone were allowed to be manufactured, and God gave it life, I don't see why he would'nt also give the clone a soul."
Maybe we should ask God his opinion. Maybe it's subjects like this that James anticipated when he said, if any man lack wisdom, let him ask of God.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 (New Testament, King James version)
Cloning Humans For "parts"? No. I really dont like animals cloned for food. If a cheeseburger looked more like a Cow...I would eat nuts and berries. Cloning humans for parts I have to believe Is Against God will or Just wrong. Next does a clone have rights? If you were a clone and "today we are removing your arm" does that clone feel anything?
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I don't see any ethical difference between a clone and a test tube baby, surrogate births, etc. The clone is someone's identical twin just much younger, that's all. Thus the clone is fully human if the technology is completely 100% successful - if not well... OMG... that is why it should never be done.
And in no way should the clone be considered to be anything else but a human just like any other person on the planet.
I do not believe cloning is right at all... why do it? Certainly not for spare parts... even if the cloning would create a new life and save another by sharing bone marrow or a liver.... We should concentrate on growing livers and such for spare parts, like skin is grown today for burn victims.
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i don't have a problem with cloning human organs. whole people? i could say yes or no and then a week from now change my mind so i don't want to get into that. i don't have the wisdom to give an answer as to it's being right or wrong.
what if (in the future) we could grow an entire body without a brain. if you're unhappy with your body (maybe it's gotten too out of shape or too old) are we looking at brain transplants some day?
That's a great thing to consider. Not just the initial effects of allowing human cloning, but the 'innovations' that will inevitably come along after the permission is granted. Humans are notorious for pushing the envelope wherever they can. This issue would be no different...
sierradaddy, you're exactly right: "Humans are notorious for pushing the envelope wherever they can. This issue would be no different..." hadn't seen any posts from you in a while. i thought that dinosaur of yours finally fell into that tar pit in the sky.
Originally posted by helen55 I don't see any ethical difference between a clone and a test tube baby, surrogate births, etc. The clone is someone's identical twin just much younger, that's all. Thus the clone is fully human if the technology is completely 100% successful - if not well... OMG... that is why it should never be done.
And in no way should the clone be considered to be anything else but a human just like any other person on the planet.
I do not believe cloning is right at all... why do it? Certainly not for spare parts... even if the cloning would create a new life and save another by sharing bone marrow or a liver.... We should concentrate on growing livers and such for spare parts, like skin is grown today for burn victims.
Wow, Helen, that didn't take long. Your soul must not have been in too bad a shape. Have you gone back to WD, too?
It wasn't an opinion on cloning, it was a hello to Helen. But, now that you've asked, and I had to be polite and answer, that makes 3 off-topic posts instead of just one.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 (New Testament, King James version)
Marlene... That's too funny. I was thinking the SAME thing. Either that, or the message that was received, and first believed to be a true message, got unscrambled, and found to be not so true or important!?
Anyway... I'm
I can't see why people need to clone. I just have such unease about this. I guess that I would really need to do a lot of research on this particular topic before I could give a thorough and true opinion on it. Still, I think that it's too creepy.
And Larke... what a great thought, that we would have these shells cloned, and then, someday a brain transplant, to keep you living even longer. WOW! Don't know how I feel about that either... but it's one freaky thought. I can see a movie being made out of that one comment of yours.
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Originally posted by KJ Marlene... That's too funny. I was thinking the SAME thing. Either that, or the message that was received, and first believed to be a true message, got unscrambled, and found to be not so true or important!?
Anyway... I'm
I can't see why people need to clone. I just have such unease about this. I guess that I would really need to do a lot of research on this particular topic before I could give a thorough and true opinion on it. Still, I think that it's too creepy.
And Larke... what a great thought, that we would have these shells cloned, and then, someday a brain transplant, to keep you living even longer. WOW! Don't know how I feel about that either... but it's one freaky thought. I can see a movie being made out of that one comment of yours.
KJ, glad to see we have some things in common.
To stay on topic, though, it's a subject that scares the heck out of me. I think the potential for evil far outweighs the potential for good. But, then, if I could get my great wonderful hubbie cloned, then he could still be at home with me even when he's halfway across the world on a business trip. And, when he's home, he'd be twice the fun.
I got stuck with that human cloning idea in my brain... the brain ages (mine sure has) so a brain transplant would not do me much good even if I got into a young body again
But wouldn't it be great to be able to clone the really smart people, like all Nobel price winners, or musical, mathematical and other geniuses, people with IQs over 200, like the 12 year old kid in the MD/PhD program at the U of Chicago.... then have these people raise a few of their own clones as their off spring...or raise clones of other smart people who facinate them, explaining to the young clones everything they know and how they think so that the clones would grow up in the most stimulating environment possible? But would the clones be as interested in learning as their "parents" since the personalities could be quite different.... a clone might prefer Harry Potter, Matrix, and computer games over nuclear medine or searching for the right equation in support of the string theory.
There are definitely nutritional advantages and methods of parenting to bring up a child today so that the child develops to its fullest mental potential and achieves its highest IQ level, so would the clones be like a super breed of high IQ people? ... While there are no specific genes for intelligence per say that we know of, genetics and nutrition does play a large role... but so does the entire environment.
What could they achieve with say 2 or 4 generations of clones from the smartest people in the world? But would these super geniuses be able to live and be happy with the rest of the people in the world? They may need a city built for them, the 12 year olds preforming as mayors, judges, professors, research scientist... I would love to see what would come out of it. Could we break the IQ barrier of 300?
To some degree we get that already... the scientists marry other scientist, but their off spring is not necessarily as gifted as their parents.
And no Marlene & KJ, I'm not back at any other forum and I limit my time here as well to just God and science because I have several new projects in life which are keeping me busy.
Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.
Oscar Wilde
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