This may sound a little extreme, but I believe if we made the punishment for all crimes death, the crime rate would drop drastically. I mean from murder all the way down to shoplifting or verbal assault. Hell, even turn it into a game show or better yet a reality show. Let the viewers vote on-line and by phone on who gets executed first and how. Seriously though, if I knew I would be executed for stealing gas, I guarantee I wouldn't do it would you?
Ever mind the Rule of Three
Three times what thou givest returns to thee
This lesson well, thou must learn
Thee only get what thou dost earn!
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Have you been watching Arnold's old movies? He did a movie where criminals were put on a game show, and we're killed, live on tv.
I can't even believe that anyone would agree to that. Sure... hey, you broke the law by running a red light. Your sentence is DEATH! Get real... no one would ever go for that.
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On some other thread I suggested public caning like in Singapore, which has a real low crime rate, but that idea was not well received either I wonder why??? I think it is a good idea....works in Singapore ... why not here?
Interesting site about corporal punishment at http://www.corpun.com
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Los Angeles Times, 4 February 1995
Caning for Tennessee Criminals Is Proposed
By Associated Press
NASHVILLE -- Two Tennessee legislators have introduced bills that would punish vandals, burglars and flag-burners by caning them on the courthouse steps.
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Morning Edition, National Public Radio, USA, 9 February 1995
Americans Think Prisoners Need a Good Caning
BOB EDWARDS, Host: At least six states are considering proposals to add caning as another weapon in the fight against crime. From California to New York, legislators have introduced bills to reinstitute some form of corporal punishment, but, no state has taken the issue more seriously than Mississippi. NPR's David Molpus reports.
Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.
Oscar Wilde
I don't have a problem at all with the penalty matching the crime... and I think that caining is a good idea. The crime in that country is so low. If we had stiffer penalties, we would also have a lower crime rate. But, I do not agree with the death penalty for all crimes. Murder, sexually abusing a child, etc... the extreme crimes. But not for something like stealing, etc...
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OK, so whom should we cane first? I'd like to see Mike Tyson caned for "wanting to really rape women now", as a preventive measure and for past behavior...then cane the person who "let the 10,000 minks run free out of their cages" in the NW, which caused 1000s of them to die of shock or become roadkill ...then cane all the women who wear mink coats....that is just so we can learn how to cane the real criminals....
Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.
Oscar Wilde
It all starts with the parents. "Spare the rod, spoil the child". This isn't child abuse, it's respect for authority. Which by the way, is lacking in society today.
"Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless." ~Ayatollah Khomeini
I have to disagree Mike...perhaps not use the rod but putting a child in "time out" as opposed to spanking.... I have seen the one punished turn out better then the one who isn't. Time out and putting them in a corner truly does nothing - - -its a shame that spanking can be considered "abuse" anymore.
I know that those in their teens are WORSE then what i was and there is not even a decade between use.
The state should not be able to tell a parent how to punish their child unless it REALLY is abuse - such as beating.. there is a profound difference between spanking and punching.
Really? I have always known a child who gets punished "mentally" rather than corporally turn out better because they actually have a relationship with their parents.
My parents beat me, though, so I suppose I'm coming from a different perspective. I can't immagine even a small spanking having any positive effects whatsoever. It teaches (A) that hitting is OK when someone does something you don't like, and (B) that you should FEAR your parents and their punishment, and thus never tell them anything for fear of being punished.
Now... if you can tell me where I'm wrong, fine. But I can't see a single reason why a child has to be spanked, and why a non-physical punishment, such as loss of privilages or something, isn't better.
Depends on the parents for one. I was spanked when little - and when they tried removing privilages from me only pissed me off. Spanking made me think about my actions.. it is refered to as conditioning in psychology. Now, my father always called me names and mentally abused me as well. What has that done to me?
I get verbally agressive towards ANYONE who talks to me the way my father did, talks to me if I am an idiot, or has a god complex where they think they are better then the whole world...
Don't take me wrong - I could not ask for better parents....
But what that taught me was not to take crap from people.
Example - my manager at work told me that i was wrong in a procedure that i did last week (actually, 5-15-2003) but talked to me last week. He attacked me through words and I rose up against him... LOL it was actually entertaining.
This is what "Mental" abuse has done. But I stand by what i said - i know a couple people who always sat in time out.
When one did - he punched holes (@ age 11), BUT when spanked - did not turn to violent tendacies. He now has a family of his own and believes in old punishment ways.
Again, there is a LARGE difference between spanking and beating. I am sorry if your parents actually BEAT you.....
Spanking isn't beating and it has to suite the problem. Not spanking for eveything.
It doesn't teach violence, it's respect for athority. Although some children reason better the others. My daughter could be taught through reason and my son only responded to a smack on the butt. Together, I think I spanked them a total of 2 times each.
They are now in their twenties now and are doing fine and both feel the same way I do about punishements and agree that a spanking get's the point accross in some instances.
"Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless." ~Ayatollah Khomeini
Death penalty for all crimes? Sorry but I think its a terrible idea. This is not a third world nation that cuts off the hand of a person that steals. I agree that the punishment needs to fit the crime;
For stealing, the person should pay restitution immediately, if they don't have the finances for restitution, their belongings should be siezed and/or the thief must work for the person or establishment they stole from for no charge, until their labor has sufficiently replaced what they stole.
Rape & Child Molestation: Castration & then throw them into general population at a maximum security prison, so the other inmates can invoke Karma on their a$$es.
Murder: Screw lethal injection, its too nice. Let the punishment fit the crime here too. Confirm beyond a reasonable doubt that this is the person responsible, and then execute them in the same way that they took their victim's lives.
Etc. Etc.
Holy War....You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend. - Richard Jeni
Has anyone here heard of Himurrabi's code? He was an ancient king of Babylon who wrote the first enforcable set of national laws. His punishments were fairly strict, and his philosophy was "an eye for an eye." The crime rate in Babylon was almost nil....
Works for me... I would love to live somewhere that the crime rates were extremely low. It's sad that in most places you always have to lock your doors, day or night. You are afraid to go walking around in the dark, because someone might rob you, or rape you. Our cars need tracking devices on them because someone takes them and they in up in another country. Our children must be watched at all times, because someone could just walk up and take them.
We live in a sick world. Times have changed, and too many people have a lack of respect for lives, property, humanity, etc...
We have too many people slapped on the wrist, when they should be locked up. We have too many people locked up, when they didn't do anything, or should just have a small fine, or work service detail. Sad state of affairs.
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Originally posted by Mike James Has anyone here heard of Himurrabi's code? He was an ancient king of Babylon who wrote the first enforcable set of national laws. His punishments were fairly strict, and his philosophy was "an eye for an eye." The crime rate in Babylon was almost nil....
You mean The Code of Hammurabi.....
I do disagree though that the crime rate was almost nil....burglary and theft were quite common.
You might be interested in his view on local officials....if they failed in their duties, they would have to personally replace lost property, and if murderers were not caught, the official would have to pay a fine to the deceased relatives.
yes it was based on an eye for an eye.....but the severity of punishment also depended on class standing...(if you think about it...not much has changed huh? )
an example: for assault a slave would be put to death and a freemen MIGHT lose a limb...maybe less.
Like I said...not much has changed!
Of course thats just my opinion....I could be wrong. (Dennis Miller)
"You might be the toughest little whacker. . .but in my world, you're about as worrisome as a cloudy day." (Dutch Dooley)
08-28-2003 10:47 PM
I wonder why??? I think it is a good idea....works in Singapore ... why not here?
