Originally posted by Kukabeara Erika won! Go Jack and Erika!
Thanks kuka ! I presume you watched the the live feed ? ... which I can't !
Even though I didn't quite understand the cage thing ... I am SO glad Erika won.
So remaining are
Jack, Erika, June, Ali, Justin, Jee and Robert ( boy there's a lot of "J" names
Who do you think she will nominate ?
Justin for sure because both she and Jack would agree.
She should absolutely NOT put either of the girls up or things will tilt totally in the favor of the males.
If she puts Robert on the block against him, I think Robert will go.
Presuming nomination stands
elim vote should go:
Jack .. Justin
Ali .. Robert
Jee .. Robert
June .. Robert
( June will I think, go with Jee's vote and not give Erika the tie-breaker option which would lose Justin )
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If Erika nominates Justin and Jee ... would anyone besides themselves use the veto to save either one ? Maybe June would save Jee to force Erika to put up Robert in which case Robert would go I think ... but maybe not because June would lose to Justin if they ended up in the final 2 and she could conceivably beat Robert. Ali might consider saving Justin, but is smart enough to know he would beat her hands down if they were the final 2. She could probably beat Robert.
Anyway, Justin and Jee will probably be the way Erika goes, since Jee nominated her early on and said he didn't trust her.
Presuming nominations stand Elim vote should go
Jack . Justin
Ali .. Jee
June .. Justin
Robert .. not sure ... but
If Robert votes to eliminate Jee, Erika gets the tie breaker vote so either way, Justin would go.
HOWEVER ... didn't Julie say they were adding "yet another brand new twist" to the game?
So perhaps all speculation is useless ?
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Any predictions on who the last two will be ?
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly,what is essential is invisible to the eye."
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
I think she's going to nominate Justin and Robert (wanting Justin to be voted out)
I think Jee will be loyal to Justin (his "boy") and leader. And he'll vote Robert out.
If Ali, Jun, or Jee wins POV, I think this is what will happen:
Jun won't use it because she's afraid Jee will be put up instead, and she has an alliance with him.
Ali won't use it because it's to her advantage since she's playing both sides of the fence.
Jee will use it and save Justin, and that will force Erika to put up either Jun or Ali (since she won't nominate Jack) Then Justin, Jee and the other girl will vote for the nomiated girl.
That only leaves Jack to vote for the guy.
Very bad... very very bad. Jack or Erika absolutely has to get POV.
Thanks kuka ! I presume you watched the the live feed ? ... which I can't !
No, I don't have time for that. I went to the CBS Web site to see if anyone there had the live feed. They have a chatroom and someone in the room was giving details. I guess Jun and Ali peed their pants... Jack let them use his shirt to hide them wetting themselves.
It got down to Erika, Ali, and Jee. Erika told the others she has no intentions of stepping down, and wanted to know if they wanted to make a deal. She said if they stepped down, she wouldn't nominate them. So they stepped down.
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Originally posted by oldbutafan Any predictions on who the last two will be ?
Unfortunately, if they don't break up the three stooges, then two of them will get it. Ali and Jun can be pursuaded to go with the power. As long as they don't get HOH or POV, whoever has the power will have their votes the way they want them.
If Jack and Erika get voted off, I won't watch the show for the rest of the season.
Aaaaaaaargh ! Was just settling to watch the Saturday show when a neighbor knocked with an "emergency". Seems they had extra steaks on the grill and other edibles and an urgent need for mouths to put them in. Didn't want to be rude, so I missed the Saturday installment ... I read about it later on the CBS BB4 site. What was the "brand new twist" Julie mentioned ... getting them to eat "exotic" slimy stuff ?
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Originally posted by Kukabeara I think she's going to nominate Justin and Robert (wanting Justin to be voted out)
Seems you were right about this. Curious how you came to that conclusion before the cage deals Erika made. As mentioned, if not the deal, I definitely would have thought Justin and Jee to insure Justin's departure.
I think Jee will be loyal to Justin (his "boy" and leader. And he'll vote Robert out.
You are probably right, although it might be smarter for Jee to oust Justin and try to assume some leadership role. ( Note that Jee/Justin "loyalty" plus Jee's early nomination of Erika is precisly why I thought ( before the deal ) that Erika would, have nominated Justin & Jee.
If Ali, Jun, or Jee wins POV, I think this is what will happen:
Jun won't use it because she's afraid Jee will be put up instead, and she has an alliance with him.
Again you are probably correct. June has no special bond with either Justin or Robert. But if June wins POV and for some unknown reason DOES use it ... what will Erika do ? She would be in a tough spot. She wouldn't nominate Jack ... and has a deal with both Ali and Jee. Me ? I'd renegotiate the deal with Ali requiring ouster of Justin. I would then nominate Jee and explain publicly to the group that since Ali was 2nd longest in the cage that was the fairest choice. I would then "cover" it privately with Jee. This would then ensure Justin's eviction with this vote and Erika with tie-breaker:
Robert: Probably Jee, but it doesn't matter
June: Probably Justin but it doesn't matter.
Jack: Justin
Ali: Justin ( per deal )
Ali won't use it because it's to her advantage since she's playing both sides of the fence.
Hmmmmmmm. That's a tough call. You don't think she might save Justin thinking that Erika would honor the deal and make June the hot seat replacement ? I do hope Erika forsees this and suggests an addendum to the deal, using the "girl power" factor for added persuasion
Jee will use it and save Justin, and that will force Erika to put up either Jun or Ali (since she won't nominate Jack) Then Justin, Jee and the other girl will vote for the nomiated girl.
That only leaves Jack to vote for the guy.
Very bad... very very bad. Jack or Erika absolutely has to get POV.
You are absolutely correct in that this would be the WORST possible outcome. Erika and Jack have to work on Jee to reinforce the things that they said in the cage to get Jee to cut the deal in the
first place. Don't know if Erika and Jack know Jee "confessed" to Justin, but they should be smart enough to tell him that if Justin and Robert learn of his deal with the other team, his "odd man out" position will be solidified
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Originally posted by Kukabeara
No, I don't have time for that. I went to the CBS Web site to see if anyone there had the live feed. They have a chatroom and someone in the room was giving details. I guess Jun and Ali peed their pants... Jack let them use his shirt to hide them wetting themselves.
It got down to Erika, Ali, and Jee. Erika told the others she has no intentions of stepping down, and wanted to know if they wanted to make a deal. She said if they stepped down, she wouldn't nominate them. So they stepped down.
My old equipment won't let me use the chat room there either so again ... thanks a bunch.
Unfortunately, if they don't break up the three stooges, then two of them will get it.
Ali and Jun can be pursuaded to go with the power. As long as they don't get HOH or POV, whoever has the power will have their votes the way they want them.
Even if they DO break them up, Jack MUST get HOH next week or they will still be cooked with the following PROBABLE nominations based on CURRENT strategies, alliances and deals:
HOH Ali: Jack and June since Ali has no-nom deal with Erika, but Jack would go unless Erika wins POV. Ali would then be "forced" to put up one of the stooges, but June would probably go ... unless the girls get smart fast.
HOH June: Jack and Erika ... nobody will save either and unless Erika shouts girl power, it could go either way depending on which 2 stooges are left.
HOH Either of the remaining 2 stoogesJustin/Robert/Jee:
Jack and Erika: Same as above unless Ali or Jun win POV and Erika can convince her that she (Erika) is the better alliance partner. Ali might do it no matter who is left because she bounces and might attempt a dual alliance and/or try get June as the replacement. June would decide depending on who is left, and possibly get Ali eliminated.
Either way, there will still be tilt in the favor of the X's with June and Ali being the swing.
So Jack has to get HOH this week and unless things change, Erika has to regain it the week after for both Jack and Erika to stick around.
If Jack and Erika get voted off, I won't watch the show for the rest of the season.
I certainly won't be happy watching either ... I want Jack and Erika to be the final two and Jack to win ... but I probably will watch half-heartedly, so I can continue to armchair analyze. Hope you will reconsider and do the same, as you have great people insights and input
Lastly, I may need to "get a life" or so some might think, but (some of) these reality shows are the "board games" of today.
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly,what is essential is invisible to the eye."
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Just realized that my response only addressed what would happen if June won and decided to save Robert. Corrections/additions in blue.
Kukabeara wrote:
Jun won't use it [POV] because she's afraid Jee will be put up instead, and she has an alliance with him.
oldbutafan responded:
Again you are probably correct. June has no special bond with either Justin or Robert. But if June wins POV and for some unknown reason DOES use it ... what will Erika do ? She would be in a tough spot. She wouldn't nominate Jack ... and has a deal with both Ali and Jee. Me ? I'd advance renegotiate the deal with Ali before the POV competition, suggesting/requiring ouster of Justin in the event he remains on the block. Advance negotiation with June would depend on whether or not she learns of the cage deal. Maybe try to strengthen individual ties with her. Anyway, if she wins POV and uses it, I would then nominate Jee as replacement for the saved stooge and explain publicly to the group that since Ali was 2nd longest in the cage Jee is the "fairest" choice. I would then cover it privately with Jee. This would then result in these votes and Erika with tie-breaker:
If June "saves" Robert and Justin & Jee are on the block:
Robert: Probably Jee, (prearranged as a "sympathy" vote for the soon to be jury member Justin ) but it doesn't matter
June: Probably Justin but it doesn't matter.
Jack: Justin
Ali: Justin ( per a hypothetical renegotiated deal with Erika )
If June "saves" Justin and Robert & Jee are on the block.
Justin: Tough call. Robert quit and got nominated but Jee defected to save himself. So it's the old "fool me once" maxim, so probably Jee.
June: Probably Robert
Jack: Probably Robert.
Ali: Maybe Jee to "support" Justin, and in order to flank attack both June and Erika; This would also keep Robert around because he's the only one she can beat, and would possibly force Erika to make the eviction choice which would HAVE to be Robert or she loses all dealmaker credibility and comes down a notch.
Ok ... now I am totally confused
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly,what is essential is invisible to the eye."
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
oldbutafan, too bad we don't have cyber change for placing bets on these forums...
Unfortunately, Ali can make any verbal deal she wants and break every one of them. You can't bank on her deals. Personally, I think Jack is the smartest one there. He's got everyone pegged down pat.
Did you see the episode where BB producers did a "mock" agent type setting while Jack, unknowingly, narrated it? It was funny, and so true. He had characters figured out very soon in the game, but unfortunately, his alliance didn't listen to his instructions. If they would have, the stooges would be gone by now.
I think if anyone but Erika or Jack win POV, Erika won't have a choice but to break her deals. Everyone she made a deal with are her only choices. Here's my prediction:
POV:
If Jun gets it, she won't use it.
Ali - won't use it
Jack - we don't even have to ask
Erika - yeah right!
Jee- He may save Justin out of guilt, because he knows he can't be put up, and whoever gets put up will get voted off. That guarantees the stooges not getting broke up.
Justin - will save himself
Robert - will save himself
HOV:
Ali - She'll put up Erika and Jack because the she knows the most votes will go for them, and since the other alliance outnumbers Erika and Jack, she'll side with the majority.
Jun - She'll put of Erika nad Jack for the same reasons Ali will.
Actually, the rest will do the same. *sigh*
I wonder if Jack needs another daughter. I'll adopt him.
Originally posted by oldbutafan Aaaaaaaargh ! Was just settling to watch the Saturday show when a neighbor knocked with an "emergency". Seems they had extra steaks on the grill and other edibles and an urgent need for mouths to put them in. Didn't want to be rude, so I missed the Saturday installment ... I read about it later on the CBS BB4 site. What was the "brand new twist" Julie mentioned ... getting them to eat "exotic" slimy stuff ?
They didn't announce the brand new twist yet, however; I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark.
They are short one houseguest because Scott got kicked out. My guess is one of the evicted houseguests (most likely one on jury) will get put back in the house.
Oh dear.... not a good twist! If the houseguests get to vote, we already know Justin will get put back in if he's voted out this week. And Robert if he's voted out this week.
Nevermind my idea of a twist. That's a bad move for Jack and Erika.
08-14-2003 07:59 PM
Didn't want to be rude, so I missed the Saturday installment 
... I read about it later on the CBS BB4 site. What was the "brand new twist" Julie mentioned ... getting them to eat "exotic" slimy stuff ? 
and leader. And he'll vote Robert out.
