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E. Guinea: British Mercenary Admits tol Plotting Coup post #1  quote:



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Simon Mann, a former army officer and pupil at Britain's prestigious Eton College, has admitted he was involved in a plot to overthrow President Teodoro Obiang Nguema, but claims he wasn't alone.

Mann said Sir Mark Thatcher, son of former UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher was ' part of the team".

He claimed he was an unwitting conspirator and thought he was helping start an air ambulance business in Africa.

Mann could face the death penalty if convicted of charges.



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Yeah I read this I think the British press are more concerend with the fact that Mark thatcher has done it again this guy has no use, no power and yet still manges to get himself in unreal situations it's not like he even that rich.

Still don't know what the plan exactly was from what I can work out the UK government had and want nothing to do with it ( thatcher didn't even get Consular assistance when he was arrested) and from what I can also work out these mercenaries either werent or will not tell us who they were working for in Guinea, but the government are not popular with some the people since the "removal" of Diallo but maybe they were working for somebody in Liberia or Sierria Leone who both want Guniea out the picture regarding the escalting border situation.

Still will be interesting to see if anything else comes out in court before they shoot/ hang Mann.


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Right rea d abit more on this story and it appears that the E guniea government are satisified and always have been satisified this was not an invasion attempt by any other country African or otherwise. What is now belived to be the truth is this, it would appear that Mann was hired for this job due to his past as an SAS member ( guess he missed the bit in training about evade and escape at all costs) he was hired by Mark Thatcher, a Lebanese millionaire named El Calill and a third " international businessman" who he refuses to name and Calill and Thatcher have also said they will not name him even if they are both extradited to Guinea.
It would apper the plan was as follows Mann and his group overthrow the government and in the chaos Calill and his guys come in and exploit the oil and gas who sell it on for a tidy profit which would be split between Calill, Thatcher and this other guy. Pretty simple plan if you execute it right and quickly something which they didn't which is good because the people of Guniea have enough problems and they need the revenue form the gas not spoilt little rich kids


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Yeah I read this I think the British press are more concerend with the fact that Mark thatcher has done it again this guy has no use, no power and yet still manges to get himself in unreal situations it's not like he even that rich.

Still don't know what the plan exactly was from what I can work out the UK government had and want nothing to do with it ( thatcher didn't even get Consular assistance when he was arrested) and from what I can also work out these mercenaries either werent or will not tell us who they were working for in Guinea, but the government are not popular with some the people since the "removal" of Diallo but maybe they were working for somebody in Liberia or Sierria Leone who both want Guniea out the picture regarding the escalting border situation.

Still will be interesting to see if anything else comes out in court before they shoot/ hang Mann.


It's also interesting why UK is trying to remove another presdent of an African country.


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Yeah you keep telling yourself that Malcolm, the accused, the Gunienas, the UK have all said that the UK and Lebanon ( where the other member comes from) had no knowledge or involvement of the incident. Hell Malcolm this is Guniea if we wished a half decent speacila forces unit could overthrow that country in 6 hours on behaklf of the UK so why did it take Mark Thatcher and this Lebanese guys to fund it and why use an ex SAS man that it appears forgot all his training?

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Yeah you keep telling yourself that Malcolm, the accused, the Gunienas, the UK have all said that the UK and Lebanon ( where the other member comes from) had no knowledge or involvement of the incident. Hell Malcolm this is Guniea if we wished a half decent speacila forces unit could overthrow that country in 6 hours on behaklf of the UK so why did it take Mark Thatcher and this Lebanese guys to fund it and why use an ex SAS man that it appears forgot all his training?


We know what the British special forces will do? They played major part when Zimbabwe was invaded to take land? Somalia land in Somalia wouldn't exist if they did not play their part?

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Well first of all this guy was ex special if the UK was involved they would use current special forces wouldn't they?

Now on to your lies.

Special forces were NOt involved when the UK first took control; of Zimbabwe. The SAS ( Special Air Service) was not formed until mid WW2 so they could not have been involved when the UK first took comntrol of Zimbabwe in fact when the UK took control of Zimbabwe the word special forces did not exsist.

As for Somalia well you are right to an extent. when peacekeeprs where sent to Somalia 3 covert SAS units wehere sent in but we only hunted down and killed Al Quieda members in fact we where doing this before people like yourself had heard of Al Quieda or Osama Bin Laden we weere in 6 months and then back out.

Sorry to burst your bubble Malcolm but as much as you hope and pary to god for a foreign invasion of Africa ( which is pretty perverse when you think about it) nobody wants African states especailly Zimbabwe ( hole in the earth), Somalia ( Ziombabwe all over again) and E Guinea ( rewards win't back the effort)


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British mercenary Simon Mann was given 34 year sentence fo attemted coup on the Equatorical Guinean president.

Mann failed to show penitence and got himself longer sentence than demanded.

Mann stands by confession that Sir Mark Thatcher, son of the former prome minister, had masterminded the coup.

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The Independent (UK) gives details on coup plot against Equatorial Guinea president.


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doesn't really tell us anything we didn't already know, just a bunch of rich posh boys with to much money and time and who have thier heads in a different generation.

As for Mark Thatcher I doubt he was the brains nehind the plot he's not remotley smart enought to mastermind this plus if the backer is waorth ?60 million why only invest ?200,000


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Planning a coup de tat on African countries. This is what posh British kids do for fun?

We understand Margret Thatcher is idolized by UK citizens but its to late to cover for her son, too much info is out and is partner has confess too his part in coup.


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We understand Margret Thatcher is idolized by UK citizens but its to late to cover for her son, too much info is out and is partner has confess too his part in coup.


Malcom. Maggie Thatcher is far from idolized by UK citizens. When she dies there will be a line several miles long filled with people just waiting to dance on her grave.

And Mark Thatcher is well known in this country for being an A-Class prat. Nobody in the last ten to twenty years has given a damn about Mark Thatcher. We all know that he is an idiot and does stupid things and we all know that he is a criminal. That is why he is basically a pariah in the UK.

You have no idea how wrong your statement is.


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We understand Margret Thatcher is idolized by UK citizens but its to late to cover for her son, too much info is out and is partner has confess too his part in coup. [/B]


oh thats one of your best that has to go in my malcolm book of greatest **** ups. This women was detested by millions most people reckoin that at one point 90% of Scotland alone hated her guts she was not loved at all your just spouting crap now


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Malcom. Maggie Thatcher is far from idolized by UK citizens. When she dies there will be a line several miles long filled with people just waiting to dance on her grave.

And Mark Thatcher is well known in this country for being an A-Class prat. Nobody in the last ten to twenty years has given a damn about Mark Thatcher. We all know that he is an idiot and does stupid things and we all know that he is a criminal. That is why he is basically a pariah in the UK.

You have no idea how wrong your statement is.


Before I correct you. Is there anything named after her? building? school? money?


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Before I correct you. Is there anything named after her? building? school? money?


Is Maggie Thatcher an important person in British history? Yes

Is she liked by many people? No.


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how exactly are you going to correct us Malcolm did you ask every British person if they liked Maggie or something?
anyway feel free to correct us please don't humilate yourself by using anything that was printed by the Conservative party


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Is Maggie Thatcher an important person in British history? Yes

Is she liked by many people? No.


I'M guilty of being naive to UK politics but in general this is the point that was being made.

"idolized by Uk citizens" may be literally wrong but in general the statement symbolizes her importance. We are victims of cooperate media. She is portrayed as popular figure.

I apologize for trying not to insult your intelligence.


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how exactly are you going to correct us Malcolm did you ask every British person if they liked Maggie or something?
anyway feel free to correct us please don't humilate yourself by using anything that was printed by the Conservative party


She was a politician and they are never popular with citizens. But ask how important she was to the UK and bet you get differnt answer.


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Important no doubt as the first female PM we have had ( incidentally a few years before she became PM she said that she believed there never would be a female PM) and she was tough and stood up for the country when she had to i.e. Argentinas occupation if the Falklands. But to confuse important ith idolised I don't get that overall she was very very disliked borderline hated.

Also the media in the UK have nevere portrayed her as a popular figure far from it in fact.


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Important no doubt as the first female PM we have had ( incidentally a few years before she became PM she said that she believed there never would be a female PM) and she was tough and stood up for the country when she had to i.e. Argentinas occupation if the Falklands. But to confuse important ith idolised I don't get that overall she was very very disliked borderline hated.

Also the media in the UK have nevere portrayed her as a popular figure far from it in fact.



Lodge are you a robot. Do you have the human ability to understand symbolism or when people are trying to make a point indirectly. Along with your soul has military took your ability to comprehend complicated statements. Most understood idolised was used to show her importance. Ask your friend who is attorney to help you with confusion.

e are victims by corporate media in U.S. We only get news how they have interpret it and she is portrayed as important to UK that people like.


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Thats a stupid argument Malcolm nobody in thier right mind would used the word idolised to express the importance of somebody. What you need to Malcolm is look about your house or go to your local library now somewhere you will find a big book called a dictionary and maybe even a Thesaurus they give menaings and alternatives to words. Now this is what the dictionary says about the word:

Idolize or ise, 1. to love or admire excessively 2. to worship as an idol.

Thesaurus Idolise - admire, adore, bow down before, dote upon, exalt, glorify, hero worship, look up to, revere, venerate, worship, worship to excess.

It's not abut symbolism or being a robot ( like you). it's about you using the wrong word trying to backtrack and fail, neither that description or the alternate words describe importance, face it you messed up plain and simple it's not a big deal and hardly the crime of the century if you just said you used the wrong word instead of using daft excuses to defend yourself there wouldnt be this problem.

As for your last sentence it proves what I always said about you, you never do any in depth research just look for a few news clips, had you looked at the UK media for example ( something which I would have thought to be an obvious choice) you would have got the whole story.


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Thats a stupid argument Malcolm nobody in thier right mind would used the word idolised to express the importance of somebody. What you need to Malcolm is look about your house or go to your local library now somewhere you will find a big book called a dictionary and maybe even a Thesaurus they give menaings and alternatives to words. Now this is what the dictionary says about the word:

Idolize or ise, 1. to love or admire excessively 2. to worship as an idol.

Thesaurus Idolise - admire, adore, bow down before, dote upon, exalt, glorify, hero worship, look up to, revere, venerate, worship, worship to excess.

It's not abut symbolism or being a robot ( like you). it's about you using the wrong word trying to backtrack and fail, neither that description or the alternate words describe importance, face it you messed up plain and simple it's not a big deal and hardly the crime of the century if you just said you used the wrong word instead of using daft excuses to defend yourself there wouldnt be this problem.

As for your last sentence it proves what I always said about you, you never do any in depth research just look for a few news clips, had you looked at the UK media for example ( something which I would have thought to be an obvious choice) you would have got the whole story.


I admit using the wrong word that shows Thatcher's importance. I'm guilty of trying to show her importance to UK. I also admit to lazy research the U.S. media was my only source. Lodge happy ? when are you going to admit your ( many) mistakes?

To make aware of news outside your buuble, we are block from seeing the BBC or any international news unless we pay for it, which keeps most Americans naive of how UK citizens think. The most coverage we receive on news from England was after Diana Spencer death?


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Well Malcolm doesn't that feel better a weight off your shoulders no doubt and no doubt creates room for you to put another chip on them. As for my mistakes I am aware of my faults you just make up faults in my charchter to try and give credibility to your motsly pathetic gripes with the world after all it's always easier to have a sepcific enemy than one you can't reach directly.

Now as for the BBC and such I wouldn't suggest you pay for it BUT I know for a fact you can get the BBC website and you can get many British newspapers as well and I know for fact that you know that because you have used them before.

Look lets's face facts heres what happened you read this story and you didn't care about the facts and the actual working of the whole thing you were dying desperate for this to be a coup controlled from Westminster with every being and fibre in your body and soul you needed it to be true, but it wasn't it was only a bunch of spoilt rich idiots who BTW don't spend a lot of time here anymore trying to play at being real men and getting all mixed up and caught.
You were dissapointed but as usual facts go out the window and we get your version of the truth which is the son of our beloved ( apparently) ex PM was involved so you twist it by saying that because Thatcher was so loved the UK government and the public in large would have supported the
coup because it had the Thatcher name attached to it.
Thats what happend and it blew up in your face because a few of us knew it was BS because Thatcher by in large is detested in this country.


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[B]Well Malcolm doesn't that feel better a weight off your shoulders no doubt and no doubt creates room for you to put another chip on them. As for my mistakes I am aware of my faults you just make up faults in my charchter to try and give credibility to your motsly pathetic gripes with the world after all it's always easier to have a sepcific enemy than one you can't reach directly.

Now as for the BBC and such I wouldn't suggest you pay for it BUT I know for a fact you can get the BBC website and you can get many British newspapers as well and I know for fact that you know that because you have used them


Until people like you are indicted (and forced to face facts),my shoulders will stay heavy.

Your right about your character.No one can find fault with it because you do noy have one. That was taken while in the military. Your responses prove you have no compassion for African people !

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No Malcolm your shoulders stay heavy because you choose to make it that way this board is littered with threads you started on things that were not important in the grand scale and alos littered with lies as well if you want examples I can find loads of them for ya.

So I have no charchter thats a new one on me you must know me so well, thing is my parents ( well adopted parents) think I have charchter, my wife thinks I have charchter and my friends think I have charchter. See you don't know anything about the army because you have nevere bneen there I have so I know better what goes on it's more about building a charchter than destroying one.

Same applies for Africa you have never been I have I know a lot about the people and Malcolm you don't care about the people don't lie you still have the colonial mindset you have proved it for you its about getting one over on the white man and to hell with the consquences you don't even kow the isuues affectig all these countries you think it's a bog standard blame the Uk issue


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No Malcolm your shoulders stay heavy because you choose to make it that way this board is littered with threads you started on things that were not important in the grand scale and alos littered with lies as well if you want examples I can find loads of them for ya.

So I have no charchter thats a new one on me you must know me so well, thing is my parents ( well adopted parents) think I have charchter, my wife thinks I have charchter and my friends think I have charchter. See you don't know anything about the army because you have nevere bneen there I have so I know better what goes on it's more about building a charchter than destroying one.

Same applies for Africa you have never been I have I know a lot about the people and Malcolm you don't care about the people don't lie you still have the colonial mindset you have proved it for you its about getting one over on the white man and to hell with the consquences you don't even kow the isuues affectig all these countries you think it's a bog standard blame the Uk issue


Again until propaganda (and those creating ) can be exposed my shoulders will carry weight. The fact Inreview is littered with my threads has nothing to do with integrity of post. The fact members ( except you & Tiger despite views ) have choose to boycott my threads validates threads.

If family, wife and friends is criteria for judging character then Bush, Blair, hitler, and other "leaders" that have caused deaths of innocent families (children) have good character AND killing innocent people does not build charater, you and white tiger fail to see this.

No one has to go to Africa or be in military to make judgement on the mass killing of innocent civillians because of an illegal invasion. Being human is all thats needed.


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Again until propaganda (and those creating ) can be exposed my shoulders will carry weight.

You know you are more obessesd with propoganda tha Josef Geobeles ( spl)

The fact Inreview is littered with my threads has nothing to do with integrity of post.

When it's full of lies an innaccuracy the integrity Is a major problem.

The fact members ( except you & Tiger despite views ) have choose to boycott my threads validates threads.

90% of your posts have been abandoned by you not boycotted by us, but if there is a thread tyou feel I have boycotted please direct me to and I will teake it up again gladly.

If family, wife and friends is criteria for judging character then Bush, Blair, hitler, and other "leaders" that have caused deaths of innocent families (children) have good character

Well unlike Bush blair etc etc I am not in the public eye so who else is going to judge my charachter ?

AND killing innocent people does not build charater, you and white tiger fail to see this.

Who are these innocents you talk of?

No one has to go to Africa or be in military to make judgement on the mass killing of innocent civillians because of an illegal invasion. Being human is all thats needed.


If you want to talk about what is happening in Africa you need to have been there or have good knowledge of the continent you have neither. The same with the military you have never been in the military so how do you know what goes on in there?
Anyway now that Iraq is your topic of the month I agree what has happend in Iraw is sad, wrong and messy.


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If you want to talk about what is happening in Africa you need to have been there or have good knowledge of the continent you have neither. The same with the military you have never been in the military so how do you know what goes on in there?
Anyway now that Iraq is your topic of the month I agree what has happend in Iraw is sad, wrong and messy.


Corrections ( again).

1) I am more obsessed with exposing propaganda than your friend you mention.

2) The threads posted come with a link
to prove information is not made up.
Look at your responses to my posts
they usually attacking me instead of
story ( or trying to defend Scotland's
past actions).

3) Credit was given to you and your friend for having the guts to continue to express opinions that are counter to story.

4) Not to there degree but there are
people outside your bubble of close
family and friends that can judge
your character. The African citizens
that witness ( or victim) of your
covert military mission you peformed
can judge your character.

5) I forgot the word the military call innocent civilians who are killed unnecessarily during a military action that could have been avoided. You konw the word.

6) To your last point, all WE need is to stay human to be qualified to judge criminal actions being done to another human. You (maybe white tiger) are having trouble understanding because you have become victim of mlitary. Have lost compassion for African life ( other humans).


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Corrections ( again).

1) I am more obsessed with exposing propaganda than your friend you mention.

Yet you use your propaganda to expose other propaganda and you don't see the irony of it?
2) The threads posted come with a link
to prove information is not made up.

Yet in this thread alone you have admitted that your sources are not perfect what makes you think the other threads / sources are any different?

Look at your responses to my posts
they usually attacking me instead of
story ( or trying to defend Scotland's
past actions).

I attack your ignorant arguements and one sided borderline racist views. Anytime I have defended Scotland was when you got it wrong which is almost always, think about it if you had any argument spot on Malcom I couldn't defend it could I?

3) Credit was given to you and your friend for having the guts to continue to express opinions that are counter to story.

When did this happen give me an example because I can't recall you ever crediting anyone for argueing against you, in fact when your case is argued against you ended up acting like Al Shrpton on an acid trip.

4) Not to there degree but there are
people outside your bubble of close
family and friends that can judge
your character. The African citizens
that witness ( or victim) of your
covert military mission you peformed
can judge your character.

Lets see hmm the African soldiers that we trained to protect thier country and citizens. The peopel of sierria Leone who were able to use the roads freely without fear of being attacked by Westside boys and RUF roadblocks, the UN worker we rescued, and the Westside boys and RUF rebels who were captured or killed before they could atatck inncoent people. I think the people were happy we were there to deal with a group of thugs who only were interested in killing thier fellow citizens. Of course Malcolm we know you prefer to see African suiffer so you will see it different.

5) I forgot the word the military call innocent civilians who are killed unnecessarily during a military action that could have been avoided. You konw the word.

Going by your attitude you are thinking of collatoral damage but thats normally reserved for non living things.

6) To your last point, all WE need is to stay human to be qualified to judge criminal actions being done to another human. You (maybe white tiger) are having trouble understanding because you have become victim of mlitary. Have lost compassion for African life ( other humans).


I will reiterate the point that you continually ignore if your not in the military you don't know what goes on in there you just like to criticise. As for thi African lie the only African lies I know of in this thread come from you, however maybe you would like to clairfiy this African lie. Oh and just so you know Malcolm because I thin you are confused I have been to Africa 6 times only twice when I was in the army the rest was holidaying and volunterring.


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