The Cherokee indians have voted overwhelmingly to CLEANSE Blacks, the direct descendants of enslaved Africans 'owned' by Indians, from their tribes.
The referendum approved by nearly 77 percent of Cherokee voters amends their constitution to overturn court rulings, which opened membership to people whose forbears were listed as "Freedmen" .
Cherokees belive any degree of Cherokee blood is enough to make you one, unless you were thought to be Black. Similar to White society's old "one- drop" rule.
To clarify this racist referendom:
Since most tribal memare more European than Native American: the descendants of slaveholders are denying equality to the descendants of slaves
for some odd reason, while the word "Ganya" was still just a thought-dropping in my head, I thought it'd only be four letters. But apparently it's five. yep.
I think he's saying that the Cherokees will recognize someone who is 1/16 Cherokee and the rest European as Cherokee, but not if they are 1/16 Cherokee but the rest Black.
that was my impression, and if it's true, it's not cool
for some odd reason, while the word "Ganya" was still just a thought-dropping in my head, I thought it'd only be four letters. But apparently it's five. yep.
It's also a load of BS again the Cherokees are the most inclusive of the tribes and the change does not cleanse all blacks from the tribe the ruling says that if you have one Cherokee ancstor you are part of the tribe regardless of your race. Cna't see aproblem with this if your are/ were releated toa cherokee you are a cherokee if you are/were not releated to a cherokee you are not a cherokee now how is that racist or cleansing.
Oh also I have posted a link to the offical cherokee website that explains the citizenship changes it's a good read and very informative on what is actually happening:
HECK! said this in post #3 : Wait, are you saying the Cherokee owned African slaves?
-HECK!
A minority of Cherokees held slaves in 1800s. They were said to be imitating the Whites of that time.
The Seminoles voted tin 2000 to Cleanse 'Black Indians' from tribe in 2000 but current U.S. gov condemned it and cut of most federal funds , which force the Seminoles to allow Blacks to remain bona fide members.
" Don't get taken advantage of by these people. They will suck you dry...Don't let Black freedmen back you into a corner. PROTECT CHEROKEE CULTURE FOR OUR CHILDREN. FOR OUR DAUGHTERS... FIGHT AGAINST THE INFILTRATION (sic)." darren buzzard
Did they change the Base Roll list? Is the Base List considered to be accurate and complete? If they are saying that all Cherokees must be able to prove descent from at least one ancestor on the Base List, then how reliable and accurate is the Base List?
Well it's not the base roll it's the Dawes roll but from my understanding the Cherokee Indians have already accepted it is not perfect BUT it is the most authoritive and historical going back over 100 years so it's not 100% accurate but it is pretty close and to be honest can you suggest a fairer way of carrying this out?
Also Malcolme is incorrect again on this the US government has never sided with the Freedmen thay have always said that citizenship is a matter for the Cherokee nation but it is worth noting that the US governemnt is defending a lawsuit brought to the Cherokee nation by Freedmen descendents.
See what I can't understand is why get so upset? why would you want to be an Indian if you have no Indian heritage or blood line?
I read on the website that it was the Base Roll. That's what they called it. Is the actual name the Dawes Roll?
I'm also trying to see how Malcolm got the idea that they were ethnically cleansing blacks from their tribe. Where does it say anything even REMOTELY close to that? I just don't get malcolm's head...
A minority of Cherokees held slaves in 1800s. They were said to be imitating the Whites of that time.
The Seminoles voted tin 2000 to Cleanse 'Black Indians' from tribe in 2000 but current U.S. gov condemned it and cut of most federal funds , which force the Seminoles to allow Blacks to remain bona fide members.
" Don't get taken advantage of by these people. They will suck you dry...Don't let Black freedmen back you into a corner. PROTECT CHEROKEE CULTURE FOR OUR CHILDREN. FOR OUR DAUGHTERS... FIGHT AGAINST THE INFILTRATION (sic)." darren buzzard
It’s hard to have an intelligent debate on a subject such as this when the subject matter hasn’t been qualified. When people post threads, they need to post the source of the information supporting their position unless stating that it’s opinion.
So far, lodgebo has supported his position but as rebuttal. This is usually the case after someone makes a supporting statement.. Technically lodge didn’t have to do so but it makes for better and quite frankly intelligible debate.
You’re position Malcolm may very well be right but how would we know to any reasonable degree of certainty? Please post the source supporting your position. I’d like to know more about this and what is exactly going on.
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Greedy tribal leaders are imulating the Whites who oppressed their ancestors by spewing nonsense about the NEED FOR RACIAL OR TRIBAL PURITY( or Cleanse) from 'Black Indians'. This would allow the Cherokees to claim a greater share of the gambling revenues the White man passes on to them.
Just as their ancestors were scalped of their land by the White man, greedy tribal leaders are being scalped of majority of their casino earnings by their ' indispensable White 'partners'. Chronic poverty and WELFARE DEPENDENCY is result for majority of the Natives of America.
DAWES ROLLS, a federal registry of members of the 5 major Indian tribes who were living in reservations (ghettos) around 1900. So I guess Dawes Rolls is right word.
lodgebo said this in post #6 : It's also a load of BS again the Cherokees are the most inclusive of the tribes and the change does not cleanse all blacks from the tribe the ruling says that if you have one Cherokee ancstor you are part of the tribe regardless of your race. Cna't see aproblem with this if your are/ were releated toa cherokee you are a cherokee if you are/were not releated to a cherokee you are not a cherokee now how is that racist or cleansing.
Oh also I have posted a link to the offical cherokee website that explains the citizenship changes it's a good read and very informative on what is actually happening:
Cherokees do believe any degree of Cherokee blood is enough to make you one, but they have voted to remove the 'Black Indians' - no matter how much Cherokee blood they have.
No Malcolm you are talking crap again. look at the link I posted it clearly states that if you have one Cherokee ancestor on the roll you are in regardless of your race so how is that removing Black Indians?
04-04-2007 01:13 AM
