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NJ court grants gay couples equal marriage rights

By Jon Hurdle
Wed Oct 25, 9:23 PM ET



TRENTON, New Jersey (Reuters) - New Jersey's highest court on Wednesday guaranteed gay couples the same rights as married heterosexuals, but left it up to state lawmakers to decide if such unions can be called marriage.

"Times and attitudes have changed," the New Jersey Supreme Court said in a nuanced 90-page ruling certain to fuel America's culture wars ahead of November 7 elections, when eight states will vote on same-sex marriage laws.

Advocates on both sides declared varying degrees of victory and disappointment on the latest twist in a battle that has divided the country over issues of gay culture and morality.

"I am happy but not ecstatic. This is about 80 percent of what we wanted," said Leslie Farber, who is gay, at a rally in Montclair, New Jersey.

Comparing the decision to the days when black people were forced to ride in the backs of buses during U.S. segregation, she said, "At least now we are on the bus."

Same-sex marriage has faced legal and political roadblocks in much of the United States and has been a hot-button issue since 2003, when Massachusetts' highest court ruled it was unconstitutional to ban gay marriage, paving the way for America's first same-sex marriages in May 2004.

Some gay activists pledged to stop at nothing short of full marriage rights, while opponents took heart that the court chose to give the legislature a role in deciding the issue.

"We now hold that ... committed same-sex couples must be afforded on equal terms the same rights and benefits enjoyed by married, opposite-sex couples," the court said in a 4-3 ruling. Gay advocates must now "appeal to their fellow citizens whose voices are heard through their popularly elected representatives," the court said.

CONSERVATIVES VOW TO FIGHT

James C. Dobson, chairman of the conservative advocacy group Focus on the Family, said the decision highlights the need for voters to enact laws to protect traditional families.

"Nothing less than the future of the American family hangs in the balance if we allow one-man, one-woman marriage to be redefined out of existence," Dobson said in a statement.

"And, make no mistake, that is precisely the outcome the New Jersey Supreme Court is aiming for with this decision."

The court gave the New Jersey Legislature six months to amend state marriage statutes to include gay people or write a new law in which same-sex couples "would enjoy the rights of civil marriage."

At a news conference in Newark, plaintiffs in the lawsuit said anything less than full marriage rights for gays and lesbians would make them second-class citizens.

"Civil unions leave me cold, empty -- a marriage is a marriage," said Dennis Winslow, who is an Episcopalian minister as is his partner, Mark Lewis. "We want to get married in this state with the blessing of the Legislature."

Lesbian couple Marcye and Karen Nicholson-McFadden wanted marriage as they raise their 7-year-old son and 3-year-old daughter. "I hope to one day say this is my wife," said Marcye, surrounded by Karen and their children. "We will not be relegated as a separate class."

RIGHTS ADVOCATES BRACE FOR BACKLASH

In the 2004 election, many states had ballot initiatives limiting gay marriage -- a factor credited with boosting the vote for President George W. Bush.

On November 7, voters in eight states will decide on constitutional amendments limiting gay marriage or unions.

The court stressed its decision "significantly advances the civil rights of gays and lesbians," and Matt Foreman, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, braced for a backlash.

"Sadly, we know that politicians on the right and their allies in the anti-gay industry will do everything in their power to exploit this decision for political gain on November 7. Again they will denounce 'activist judges' and defame gay people and our families to inflame their base," Foreman said.

Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, said the ruling "should give momentum to the eight states with marriage protection amendments on the November ballot."

Gay activists said they would launch a television advertising campaign, hold town meetings and solicit support from residents across the state.

(Additional reporting by Christine Kearney in Newark and Mark Egan in Montclair)



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Another small victory in the journey to equality.


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Good news, glad to hear it. New Jersey has made a big step. Hopefully a trend begins.

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Yeah... I hope that it does. I just wish that California would go that step further.


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They did for a second.

You know, most activists against gay marriage are butt ugly curs you wouldn't want to marry in the first place.

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Agreed


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The only thing that gets me is why they choose to allow state lawmakers to decide if they should call it a marriage or not.

I say to them "You are the damn State Supreme Court. You rule the state....you freakin decide. If you are willing to go this far...call it a damn marriage."

I like the fact that they are doing the right thing...but be big enough to say "its legal, and thats that!" No state lawmakers involvement after that point!



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Well, I've just gotten to the point that I don't care anymore. No one else is going to tell me that my relationship is less valid, or something, because the state chooses to allow me only so much, or gives me a different title. We live in a f'd up world, with a bunch of people who think that they are the only one's who matter.


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Oh, I know that it won't happen... but, we can hope, that someday, it will. Until then, I'm fine with my life. I don't NEED to have a legal title to validate my partnership.


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Lawless I have a query and I think you would be in the best position to answer it if you don't mind. If you and your partner came to the UK or Holland and got married would Californina law recognise the marriage or not.

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No, unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. Even straight couples aren't legal. For instance... my brother, and his wife, got married down in Mexico a couple years ago. It wasn't legal. They had to file with the courts, and sign a marriage certificate, and all that jazz, at the court house, to make it legal in the US.


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I just heard about this yesterday. Alright New Jersey! I hope this prompts other States to legalize gay marriage, too. Like Kris said, one step further in the journey to equality


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Well, I guess I will have to be the one to take this in another direction.

Personally, I don’t agree with the call NJ made. I believe everyone has the privilege to live their lives the way they want but I don’t agree that this is simply a matter of equal rights.

I don’t mean to offend some here but I simply don’t believe in same sex relationships as being normal because it’s not. Traditionally marriage was instituted to be man and woman and I believe in preserving it as is.

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Point read... definitely don't agree with it, but we're all entitled to our opinions.


Personally, I think that this world will be a much better place when others tell people how they should, or shouldn't, live.



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