Black America's dilemma: How can you trust an gov that has lied US into a war and occupation of Iraq; threatens Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Syria and North Korea with military ; ignores and works to humiliate the United Nations; ignored Somalia's civil wars until an Islamist movement was becoming dominent; speaks out boyh sides of mouth when it comes to funding AIDS/HIV research for Blacks; Katrina incompetence...etc.
The suggestiog of Nato troops(or US) entering in and forcing an solution will simply not work. Leadership for resolution of the crisis must come from African Union. Looking at this gov total record, I cannot trust US Troops being deployed to SUDAN. How can any Black person support or trust the Bush administration to help ? I ask them to see Spike Lee's documentary of Katrina before making descion.
The suggestiog of Nato troops(or US) entering in and forcing an solution will simply not work. Leadership for resolution of the crisis must come from African Union.
But it should also be noted that AU troops have been in Sudan for the past few monbths and under thier watch things have been getting worse not better.
lodgebo said this in post #3 : But it should also be noted that AU troops have been in Sudan for the past few monbths and under thier watch things have been getting worse not better.
So what's the solution?
Can you explain what is being disputed in this conflict and by who?
In a nutshell the Sudan crisis is basically a dictator style government that is backing Muslim fighters ( Janjaweed I belive) they are hell bent on driving all African out of sudan and making it a Muslim country asa the police and army are normally on the Government side or have been killed the people have no protection and have been pushed to the border where they are stayin in Refugee camps that are being supplied by charities, EU, UN, US and Canada recenbtly howevere the food has been hijacked by the Muslim fighters and the situation has got real bad real quickly and it was a disaster before this we are talking Genocide here.
As for what I would do well unlike Malcolm I would not play the race card the people that should be doing the job are the people best equiped to do the job. Now that means African countires helping oput there is no doubt on that but we alaso need countries that have this kind of experience either a UN pecaekeeping unit, NATO, or an EU RRF unit to go and help the situation as it is cannot stay the same and if that requires changes to hell with color and lets get the real experts in.
lodgebo said this in post #5 : In a nutshell the Sudan crisis is basically a dictator style government that is backing Muslim fighters ( Janjaweed I belive) they are hell bent on driving all African out of sudan and making it a Muslim country
Why are the Janjaweed intent on driving Africans out of Sudan?
lodgebo said this in post #5 : In a nutshell the Sudan crisis is basically a dictator style government that is backing Muslim fighters ( Janjaweed I belive) they are hell bent on driving all African out of sudan and making it a Muslim country asa the police and army are normally on the Government side or have been killed the people have no protection and have been pushed to the border where they are stayin in Refugee camps that are being supplied by charities, EU, UN, US and Canada recenbtly howevere the food has been hijacked by the Muslim fighters and the situation has got real bad real quickly and it was a disaster before this we are talking Genocide here.
As for what I would do well unlike Malcolm I would not play the race card the people that should be doing the job are the people best equiped to do the job. Now that means African countires helping oput there is no doubt on that but we alaso need countries that have this kind of experience either a UN pecaekeeping unit, NATO, or an EU RRF unit to go and help the situation as it is cannot stay the same and if that requires changes to hell with color and lets get the real experts in.
lodgebo said this in post #9 : So what exactly is confusing you malcolm?
I don't know what is confusing Malcolm, but this issue is very confusing the way it is reported in the US. They report genocide, but they do not explain who are the perpertators nor their motive. They only demand that somebody do something about the problem.
Well it's a very confusing situation even those who are charged with coming up with solutions find it all confusing. We know that the main perpatrators are the government as they are supplying, weapons, logistics, medical and info they are also using international political influenece which I will get back to. The Janjaweed is a complex situation you see there are a number of Arab militia in Sudan yet we just label them all Janjaweed it's kind of like labelling all ME terror groups Al Queda.
Anyway back to this political influenece you may know that there is a UN resolution ready to be passed that will send peacekeepers into Sudan however the Sudnaese government has said if that happens the Sudanese will see it as an invasion and an act of war and that complacates the situation. The fact is he does not want UN peacekeepers in not because the AU are doing a good job ( remember it is in his intrests for the AU to fail) but because they are so ill equipped, underpaid, overworked and under manned they only have 7000 troops. The fact is the Janjaweed can match the AU in combat and they do it on a daily basis.
As it stands we may get a Balkans situation going on here where NATO just say to hell with the UN and let's do whats right. Bust in to Sudan, remove the government, arrest or kill the ringleaders, free the refugess, take out the arab fighters and make it a UN priority to rebuild Sudan and install a fair government. Now that won't be easy but it is better than doing nothing we need to show these Janajweed a$$holes that the international community is deadly serious, this has gone on for 3 years and that is 3 years to long, for christs sake in the 21st century we have genocide and world leaders dilly dallying about what to do.
I saw a report yesterday about a camp that contains about 1000 women and girls and they say in the two and a half years that they have been in the camp there have been about 500 rape incidents. The women need to leave the camp to get firewood and the Janajweed wait until they are a safe distance from the camp and rape them. Thats just one camp we have heard stories of Janjawed fighters on open top jeeps driving through camps and letting fly with machine guns and we are letting this happen.
What pissess me off the most abut his is that the UK and France who for historical reasons havce adopted a parent like approcah to these African countries are doing nothing we need Blair or Chirac to get to NATO and demand that action is taken RIGHT NOW.
What is it that the Janjaweed want to gain by driving out the Africans? Are they doing this to acquire land or other property, or are they simply doing it for idiological reasons? I have heard news accounts that state that both sides in this conflict are Muslim. If that is the case, I don't see how the conflict can be motivated by a difference in idiology, since there would be no difference.
I understand that the Janjaweed are allied with the Sudan goverment against the Africans, but I have never heard what the motive for the conflict is.
Well the whole thing extremly complicated but I belive that the main reasoon is that the people in Darfur are African where as the Janjaweed are Arab or of Arab descent. In the past I belive the local governement in Darfur was seen as pro African anti Arab this of course led to the Arab factions causing an uprising, overthrowing the local government and attacking all governemnt buildings. The goal for the Janajaweed is to drive all the Africans out of Darfur and make it an Arab region that is why most oif the camps are on the fringes of Darfur or on the Sudan border, the people have been forebully pushed that far back.
09-30-2006 07:47 PM
