Iran is currently conducting WAR Games. What are your thoughts about this considering they are the main suppliers of Hezbollah fighters in Lebanon? Are Currently working toward making a Nuke and vow to destroy Isral and the U.S?
Niether Iran nor Syria have nuclear WMD. Israel and the US have stockpiles of nuclear WMD. Who's threatening who?
Although neither Israel nor the US say it, the real fear in the region is that the US and or Israel are going to attempt to destory Iran and Syria. For some bizzare reason, the hawks in Washington and Israel are convinced that military action is the way to solve the problems in the Middle East.
I've posted this in the 9/11 thread yesterday:
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"Twenty-one former generals and high ranking national security officials have called on United States President George W. Bush to reverse course and embrace a new area of negotiation with Iran, Iraq, and North Korea. In a letter released Thursday, the group told reporters Bush's 'hard line' policies have undermined national security and made America less safe."
I guess the 6 years of Hezbollah, Hamas and the PLO firing rockets and sending in suicide bombers into Israel doesn't count as aggression.
How do you negotiate with someone who wants nothing but death to Israel and the U.S. The difference between Iran with nuclear weapons and the US and Israel is the US and Israel won't use them, Iran would use them in a heartbeat if it meant the destruction of Israel.
There is nothing wrong with playing war games not illegal, not agressive and nornmally not a problem, it's good prcatice but it does not mean that you are gearing up for war.
It's normally a show of strength and to test new weapons like their new missles that go 250 miles. Do you really think they are doing it for practice??? No it's to show off what they have and what they can do.
Edward Teach said this in post #3 :
How do you negotiate with someone who wants nothing but death to Israel and the U.S.
Whatever Iran says or doesn't say, nothing is being achieved by completely refusing to talk with them. Face it, war is never going to guarantee peace or security for Israel. Iran has offered things in the past, such as to reconise Israel's right to exist.
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The difference between Iran with nuclear weapons and the US and Israel is the US and Israel won't use them,
This is totally wrong thinking. Haven't you been watching the last few years and seen what both the US and Isreal is cabably of an willing to do with it's military hardware? Why do still continue to make such a ridiculous assumtion as neither the US or Israel would use WMD, when clearly they would (and in America's case have)?
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Iran would use them in a heartbeat if it meant the destruction of Israel.
This is blinkered nonsense. Iran knows it would be obliterated if it tried to destroy Israel. If the reverse happened would Israel be obliterated?
Edward Teach said this in post #5 : It's normally a show of strength and to test new weapons like their new missles that go 250 miles. Do you really think they are doing it for practice??? No it's to show off what they have and what they can do.
No it's to test what they have and what it can do. Why do the USA do it why does the UK do it why do NATO countries get together every few years to do it why does China do it why does every modern day army do it ? for practice and to test weapons in as close to a realisitic situation without a war.
Fact is until you mentioned it I never knew about this and most of the people I know did not know it was happening. I had never heard it on of the news channels I watch or in the papers or on the internet. Israel has not brought up it's worries and the white house has not said much to my knowledge so even if it was to get a message across that seems to have failed because everyone is seeing this for what it is war games.
There have been a few in that area 1999 was the last one that used troops but in 2004 there were games involving only the air forces and navies of NATO I think it was bomb practice.
Edward Teach said this in post #3 : I guess the 6 years of Hezbollah, Hamas and the PLO firing rockets and sending in suicide bombers into Israel doesn't count as aggression.
How do you negotiate with someone who wants nothing but death to Israel and the U.S. The difference between Iran with nuclear weapons and the US and Israel is the US and Israel won't use them, Iran would use them in a heartbeat if it meant the destruction of Israel.
Really? When was the last time Iran fired missile at another country? And don't bother using the excuse that Iran supplies groups with weapons - the USA is the biggest arms dealer in the world.
What did Bush ignore Iran's recent offers to negotiate peace? And why? Would that have spoilt the whole neocon dream of bombing the place?
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In 2003, Iran offered to negotiate all outstanding issues with the US, including nuclear issues and a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict. The offer was made by the moderate Khatami government, with the support of the hard-line "supreme leader" Ayatollah Khamenei. The Bush administration response was to censure the Swiss diplomat who brought the offer.
"In June 2006, Ayatollah Khamenei issued an official declaration stating that Iran agrees with the Arab countries on the issue of Palestine, meaning that it accepts the 2002 Arab League call for full normalization of relations with Israel in a two-state settlement in accord with the international consensus. The timing suggests that this might have been a reprimand to his subordinate Ahmadenijad, whose inflammatory statements are given wide publicity in the West, unlike the far more important declaration by his superior Khamenei.
North Korea was firing test rockets, too. Why aren't they on the Scary Terror Watch List as of late.
Israel bought a few nuclear capable subs. Alarmed, anyone? Nah, so long they are an enemy of our enemy. Whoops, tell that to Iran... er Iraq... er Afghanistan...
Really? When was the last time Iran fired missile at another country? And don't bother using the excuse that Iran supplies groups with weapons - the USA is the biggest arms dealer in the world.
What did Bush ignore Iran's recent offers to negotiate peace? And why? Would that have spoilt the whole neocon dream of bombing the place?
So your contention is wait until they attack! Of course by then it will be too late. And it doesn't matter that the president of the country (or PM) vowed to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. I don't know it's something about combining the man who made that statement and Nuclear weapons that bothers me.
HECK! said this in post #12 : North Korea was firing test rockets, too. Why aren't they on the Scary Terror Watch List as of late.
Israel bought a few nuclear capable subs. Alarmed, anyone? Nah, so long they are an enemy of our enemy. Whoops, tell that to Iran... er Iraq... er Afghanistan...
-HECK!
THEY ARE on the terror watch list!!! Remember the "Axis of Evil".
Yeah but you don't finbs it weird that N.Korea can practically walk nukes down the streets and Bush si shall we say less vocal than he was toward Iraq and now Iran. Wonder why that is.
08-20-2006 12:03 AM
