JERUSALEM - Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has accepted an emerging Mideast cease-fire deal and informed the United States of his decision, Israeli officials said Friday.
Olmert will recommend that his government approve the deal in its meeting on Sunday, said Gideon Meir, a senior official in the Israeli Foreign Ministry.
Meir said the military offensive in Lebanon would continue for the time being. It was not immediately clear if it would be halted after the U.N. Security Council vote on the cease-fire deal later Friday, or only after the Israeli Cabinet has endorsed it.
Israel, Hezbollah, and Hamas have accepted a peace deal, with terms. Has Israel stopped the bombing and halted it's push into Lebanon? No.
H@ts, you know well that hizb'allah and hamas will not disarm and truly accept a peace deal. They will do it the prevent the losing of face that they are going through and within the next year they will be back to the same situation they are in today with Israel. they will attack, cry wahh wahh when israel attacks and anti-semitics will back them up saying Israel has gone to far - and shouldn't protect itself.
I don't see the problem with Israel attacking back
but anti-semitics seem to have a problem with it.
If Hizb'allah attacked Britain, and all your family but you were killed, would you still think they would honestly disarm?
NO, they wouldn't. they will stash monies and weapons some where, claim disarmament and then plot ,plan and do the same thing they already have done. They repeat themselves more then those in invreview do.
Would you support Britain if it defended itself or turn against them saying they should just talk it out with terrorists? And would the British populace be so blind and dumb to believe you can negotiate with terrorists?
Dreamzwalker said this in post #4 :
H@ts, you know well that hizb'allah and hamas will not disarm and truly accept a peace deal.
Dreamzwalker, this may be true but it is just an assumption on your part. It also may be a false assumption. Thatcher believed pretty much the same about the IRA, and flat out refused to talk to them. John Major reversed her policy and after just a few years peace began and has so far lasted over 10 years. No doubt the IRA probably do still have weapons somewhere, but men who were once considered our enemies are now members of Parliament. Imperfect though some people think this is - it is better than the endless cycle of blood-shed that lasted 30 years.
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They will do it the prevent the losing of face that they are going through and within the next year they will be back to the same situation they are in today with Israel.
Again a assumption, and an attitude - what's the point - that avoids working for peace.
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I don't see the problem with Israel attacking back
but anti-semitics seem to have a problem with it.
What's sad about this latest conflict is it seems what Hezbollah orginially asked for - the exchange of prisoners - is going to be part of the peace agreement. So what have Israel achieved? Hezbollah are now seen as heroes in the ME, and over 1000 Lebanes and a 100 Israelis are dead. Saying Israel attacked back is nieve.
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If Hizb'allah attacked Britain, and all your family but you were killed, would you still think they would honestly disarm?
Of course not. BUT I don't live in Israel or Lebanon, so I can take a more impartial view of the situation. Neither Israel nor the Palastinians or Hezbollah seem to be able to come to an agreement, so the only chance seems to be for countries outside the conflict to do it for them. For that what is their but the UN? Israel must abide by it's resolutions, and the US must stop allowing it to ignore them, and the Palstinians must recognise Israel's right to exist.
Of course not. BUT I don't live in Israel or Lebanon, so I can take a more impartial view of the situation. Neither Israel nor the Palastinians or Hezbollah seem to be able to come to an agreement, so the only chance seems to be for countries outside the conflict to do it for them. For that what is their but the UN? Israel must abide by it's resolutions, and the US must stop allowing it to ignore them, and the Palstinians must recognise Israel's right to exist.
I have associates that i know in person in Israel and that's one reason for my stance. My friends have been attacked there for, i support them as if it was my country.
On my assumption.
granted, it is just my opinion but i'm basing it one past facts that each and every time an organization like HAMAS or Hizb'allah claim they will hold they don't.
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hihb'allah
The group began to execute a series of operations against Israeli and U.S. targets; the U.S. forces were in Lebanon as part of a UN Peace-keeping mission, and between 1983 and 1985, elements of Hezbollah attacked the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, car-bombed the U.S. Embassy and later attacked the embassy's annex.
The bombings forced a withdrawal of the western forces and civil war between various Christian and Muslim factions, along with Israeli and Syrian fighters, continued in Lebanon for several years. Hezbollah continued its attack on westerners, most notably the kidnappings of American, British and French citizens throughout the mid-1980s. The last western hostages were release after the end of the Civil War in 1992.
Through the late 1980s and early 1990s, Hezbollah's "terrorist" phase was at its height, with suicide bombings and hostage-taking galore.
Following is just a few of the trash they've done.
a series of kidnappings of Westerners in Lebanon, including several Americans, in the 1980s;
the suicide truck bombings that killed more than 200 U.S. Marines at their barracks in Beirut, Lebanon, in 1983;
the 1985 hijacking of TWA flight 847, which featured the famous footage of the plane’s pilot leaning out of the cockpit with a gun to his head;
two major 1990s attacks on Jewish targets in Argentina—the 1992 bombing of the Israeli Embassy (killing twenty-nine) and the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center (killing ninety-five).
a July 2006 raid on a border post in northern Israel in which two Israeli soldiers were taken captive. The abductions sparked an Israeli military campaign against Lebanon to which Hezbollah responded by firing rockets across the Lebanese border into Israel.
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Now, if they could stick with any type of peace i would be very surprised - but i don't expect them to do so. they will want so called "revenge" for Israel fighting back.
Believe it or not, there's a lebanese in my class that some what supports Israel - he hopes no civilians get killed. lucky for him, no family in the areas of battle. He supports their motive for removing hizb'allah but not the manner except when they hit HB targets. I was surprised to find out he was lebanese, but he started talking bout it on break.
From a lebanese news and forum site. Not sure of its authenticity
Hezbollah Surprised By Their Own Attack
Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah revealed that he did not know of this morning's attack prior to its occurrence. According to a mid-level Hezbollah party member, the Hezbollah leadership was not expecting the attack to come right now, not expecting such a harsh Israeli response, and is currently scrambling to come to a plan.
In January, the party leadership decided that they would capture Israeli soldiers in exchange for Lebanese prisoners. They would attack at the earliest possible time, and today happened to be that day. The Hezbollah leadership was entirely caught off guard.
Hezbollah was the most powerful force in the National Dialogue, which has been going on for the past few months. Hezbollah was dominating sessions on defining Lebanon's defense policy, and the party was getting everything it wanted.
Hezbollah's leadership knew they could maintain their power over other Lebanese political factions, but knew they had a small range in which to operate because, outside of the Shia community, Hezbollah has little to no support. The Sunni community in Lebanon is becoming radicalized against, not only Hezbollah, but Shia in general. The Sunni Interior Minister recently legalized the radical Sunni Islamist group Hezb at-Tahrir.
There is no way that other Lebanese communities will now let Hezbollah act on their own.
Israeli Response
Hezbollah was surprised by Israel's response.
When they dreamed up this plan in January, they thought the Israelis would respond as usual: bomb a few Hezbollah positions on the border, and perhaps attack Palestinian militant camps. They were not expecting the attack to occur at this fragile time with the Palestinians.
Instead, the Israelis massively destroyed Lebanese infrastructure. Bridges throughout South Lebanon have been destroyed. Almost the entire South is without power.
The Sunni Surprise
Even more surprising for Hezbollah was the Sunni response to the bombing of both the old and new roads at Damour. The Sunni in Saida explained this Israeli aggression away noting that the Israelis were trying to block Palestinian militants at Naameh from going on the attack.
According to three Sunni shop owners in Beirut from Saida, they and their families are more upset with Hezbollah than they are with Israel. In fact, they understand the Israeli position.
Lebanese Pride said...
I could care less about hezbollah and the other PRO syrian rats, I ONLY care about a FREE Lebanon. I also could care less about Israel but hope they wipe hezbollah off the map, since hezbollah thinks they can do what they want in Lebanon and have a state within a state and all that bull ****. I hope Israel DESTROYS DESTROT Syria. hezbollah and other pro syrian rats should get out of the country and go back to there "real" home syria where they are dogs just ALL the syrians.
GOD BLESS AN ANTI SYRIAN LEBANON!
Northern Israeli said...
From here (Haifa, Israel), it seems there is an unusually wide consensus for a tough attack: on HA, on Lebanon and on Syria. I think, though, that there is a bit more controversy about bombing too much of Beirut- people here watch in TV how many Lebanese are against HA and it does affect them. The problem is that the common thought is that the people and government of Lebanon are weak. It's not only about revenge of 8 soldiers killed - people want the kidnapped soldiers. And they are affraid being viewed as weak.
As you know, the people here influence everything the Israeli government does. If somebody ("Jamal", for instance) thinks people are affraid of the rockets- he's wrong. We've all had things alot worse than those lousy rockets- and I know they can kill, even me, but I also know I could have got killed in Maxim restaurant by a terrorist funded by syria, etc.
Just like you have tourism, we have, and especially on the Lebanese border (interior tourism). But unlike you, we are not as dependant on it. When there is fighting in Lebanon, people in TLV and Haifa continue their lives. It is not the same about Beirut. I know that it's not the majority's fault, but sometimes there's just no choise.
Anyway, I hope you personally won't get affected and that innocent peopl won't get killed.
greetings
overandout said...
How can the government condemn Hizbullah's acts? Can it really afford turning against a considerable faction of the population right now? Hizb just got us in a vicious circle of support/no support and Israel who has everything to win from its strategy will just blame the government, although the latter is known to be powerless.
Gab said...
Well there goes the airport, now if you thought the average Lebanese was pissed at Hizballah, now they have thousands of foreigners pissed.
Fares said...
My emotional take on the events in Lebanon
sorry kind of long, read 3rd section if you want quick.
only people with hearts and brains can read, no need for hyprocrites.
Appreciate your feedback.
also a short anry message, All Lebanon will celebrate Nasrallah death and not just few idiots who celebrated earlier in south Beirut
David said...
Please forgive my ignorance of the Lebanon, but some questions that outsiders are asking is whether these actions are going to restart the Lebanese civil war or whether Syria and Israel will fight each other on Lebanese territory? Would anyone care to venture an opinion...
Anonymous said...
I don't think Israel will be able to destroy Hezbollah (that would require occupation again) but they can damage them, hopefully enough for the Lebanese people to chase Hezbollah out and finish the Cedar Revolution.
Those are a few things said - i can't link it since its a news site but also has a forum in it. called the lebanese political.
Was just posting info from somewhere else is all.
i find it funny how the leader of hizb'allah claims he didn't know about it
Palestinian gunmen dressed in police uniforms on Friday broke into a prison in the West Bank city of Jericho and shot dead six Palestinian inmates, prompting officials to declare a state of emergency in the area. Israel killed three Palestinian militia in the southern Gaza Strip Friday, as troops conducted house-to-house searches in the city of Rafah.
they broke into the jail to kill their own people - what a loving bunch. And everyone wonders why so many don't like them....
What's sad about this latest conflict is it seems what Hezbollah orginially asked for - the exchange of prisoners - is going to be part of the peace agreement. So what have Israel achieved?
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hb wants more then just "two" prisoners.
and the news said that they wouldn't give back the two soldiers - less that's changed in the last few days and i haven't seen/heard it yet.
interesting - from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations
Sexual abuse by UN peacekeepers. Numerous peacekeepers from several nations have been repatriated from UN peacekeeping operations for sexually abusing and exploiting girls as young as 8 in a number of different peacekeeping missions. This abuse has become widespread and ongoing despite many revelations and probes by the UN Office of Internal Oversight Services. [23][24] A 2005 internal UN investigation found that sexual exploitation and abuse has been reported in at least five countries where UN peacekeepers have been deployed, including the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Haiti, Burundi, Cote d'Ivoire, and Liberia; in particular, "Liberian girls as young as 8 are being sexually exploited by United Nations peacekeepers, aid workers and teachers in return for food, small favours and even rides in trucks, according to a report from Save the Children U.K." [25] The BBC carried a similar report, and also cited a member of the World Food Programme as an offender
Check this out - disarm was supposed to happen in 2004
Security Council declares support for free, fair presidential election
in Lebanon; calls for withdrawal of foreign forces there
Resolution 1559 (2004) Adopted by Vote
Of 9 in Favour, to None Against, with 6 Abstentions
The Security Council this evening declared its support for a free and fair presidential election in Lebanon conducted according to Lebanese constitutional rules devised without foreign interference or influence and, in that connection, called upon all remaining foreign forces to withdraw from Lebanon.
By a vote of 9 in favour (Angola, Benin, Chile, France, Germany, Romania, Spain, United Kingdom, United States) to none against, with 6 abstentions (Algeria, Brazil, China, Pakistan, Philippines, Russian Federation), the Council adopted resolution 1559 (2004), reaffirming its call for the strict respect of Lebanon’s sovereignty, territorial integrity, unity, and political independence under the sole and exclusive authority of the Government of Lebanon throughout the country.
In a related provision, the Council called for the disbanding and disarmament of all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias. It also called upon all parties concerned to cooperate fully and urgently with the Council for the full implementation of all its resolutions concerning the restoration in Lebanon of territorial integrity, full sovereignty and political independence.
Resolution
The text of resolution 1559 (2004) reads as follows:
“The Security Council,
“Recalling all its previous resolutions on Lebanon, in particular resolutions 425 (1978) and 426 (1978) of 19 March 1978, resolution 520 (1982) of 17 September 1982, and resolution 1553 (2004) of 29 July 2004 as well as the statements of its President on the situation in Lebanon, in particular the statement of 18 June 2000 (S/PRST/2000/21),
“Reiterating its strong support for the territorial integrity, sovereignty and political independence of Lebanon within its internationally territorially recognized borders,
“Noting the determination of Lebanon to ensure the withdrawal of all non-Lebanese forces from Lebanon,
“Gravely concerned at the continued presence of armed militias in Lebanon, which prevent the Lebanese government from exercising its full sovereignty over all Lebanese territory,
“Reaffirming the importance of the extension of the control of the Government of Lebanon over all Lebanese territory,
“Mindful of the upcoming Lebanese presidential elections and underlining the importance of free and fair elections according to Lebanese constitutional rules devised without foreign interference or influence,
“1. Reaffirms its call for the strict respect of the sovereignty, territorial integrity, unity, and political independence of Lebanon under the sole and exclusive authority of the Government of Lebanon throughout Lebanon;
“2. Calls upon all remaining foreign forces to withdraw from Lebanon;
“3. Calls for the disbanding and disarmament of all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias;
“4. Supports the extension of the control of the Government of Lebanon over all Lebanese territory;
“5. Declares its support for a free and fair electoral process in Lebanon’s upcoming presidential election conducted according to Lebanese constitutional rules devised without foreign interference or influence;
“6. Calls upon all parties concerned to cooperate fully and urgently with the Security Council for the full implementation of this and all relevant resolutions concerning the restoration of the territorial integrity, full sovereignty, and political independence of Lebanon;
“7. Requests that the Secretary-General report to the Security Council within thirty days on the implementation by the parties of this resolution and decides to remain actively seized of this matter.”
hmmmm.
the Hizb'allah didn't disarm then - why now?
Yes i read what started this, and why it was passed.
I have associates that i know in person in Israel and that's one reason for my stance. My friends have been attacked there for, i support them as if it was my country.
Am I right to presume then that you can't see the Israel/Palastinian conflic objectively?
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granted, it is just my opinion but i'm basing it one past facts that each and every time an organization like HAMAS or Hizb'allah claim they will hold they don't.
What past facts? Israel does not stick to the deals it makes. Fact: Israel expanded the West Bank while the world was concentrating on the Gaza pullout, which was contrary to the road map peace process. So Israel does not stick to promises it makes. But seeing as you support Israel and cannot view the conflict objectively, you're not interesting in whether Isreal holds up to deals it makes, and only seem to notice when Hezbollah don't abide by it's promises. That is a hypocritical double standard.
its not hypocritical. you need to look the definition up. hypocritical would be if i said i supported pali and everything i did or said was unsupportive. i never supported them. and i never will.
Every country makes mistakes - but the fact still remains that nearly every time Isreal started pulling troups out of west bank the palis attacked them so they sent soldiers back in.
well, if i was a country trying to pull out of an area, and was attacked through acts of cowardism i would go back in wreck havoc as well- i wouldn't keep moving out like i was running away. that's just ignoramic.
Am I right to presume then that you can't see the Israel/Palastinian conflic objectively?
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there is no reason for israel to pull out - those arabs have no claim on that land. they can't even prove where most of them came from, so the world is just relying on what they say is true, not what's proven.
They believe they are decendants of ancient palestine, but its proven that a large amount of them are decended from egypt and other parts of arabia and migrated to what is now known as west bank. they came to west bank on their own and started claiming they were palestinian and have no geneaology to a true palistine.
They want all of israel, not west bank - and they will not stop until it is theirs. i know you and others cannot understand or comprehend that and believe peace is possible by giving into terrorists over and over again, but its not possible.
The only reason for israel to pull out and give up land for a people who can't prove their claim is to stop the fighting for people like you.
Israel had the land for thousands of years - they faught palistine on their way through and removed them. the actual loci remains realivitivly unknown, but it is speculated that it was several day walk west of west bank. meaning it was close too west bank but palistine did not live there at the time. And 90% of them was wiped during the battle which means that the large amount of todays came from egypt, old iran/iraq and other provinces of the time.
And don't chime in about American indians, people always seem to think that works and it doesn't. i do not think they should have been shuffled around like that but we worked it out and indians aren't riding buffalo around blowing **** up. they were willing to work it out, pali is not and never truly will.
I think a lot of people are ignboring the fact that if you look at it Israel has lost this battle.
Hizbollah ahve not been destroyed but if you could not do it in 25 years what the hell did Israel think it could do in 5 weeks?
Hizbollah support has no doubt swelled and membership will have gone up.
Possibly Hizbollah will gain more seats in the Lebanese parliment elections on the back of this.
Syria and Iran have not been weakend
Israel has seen even more anger from the Arab world toward's it
These two soldiers have not bee released
The only way to get these soldiers back would appear to be with a new resolution that would require a swap of some sort something which Israel said it would never do at the start of this conflict.
It will cost Israel millions in rebuilding and war widows pensions and benefits to maimed soldiers etc. Lebanon will most liley recive international assistance but Hizbollah has not spent a penny in this conflict.
Also more international countries are asking about the way Israel fights it's battles and questions wethere the attacks are proportionate to the crimes being commited.
In fact the only thing Israel can take out of this is that the military works and they have a internatinal peacekeeping force in Lebanon but the last UN force failed to stop Hizbollah, the Lebanese failed to stop Hizbollah and they failed to stop Hizbollah so what chance do the Turks, French and maybe Spanish have?
In fact the only thing Israel can take out of this is that the military works and they have a internatinal peacekeeping force in Lebanon but the last UN force failed to stop Hizbollah, the Lebanese failed to stop Hizbollah and they failed to stop Hizbollah so what chance do the Turks, French and maybe Spanish have?
None because the UN is virtually useless anymore. In the past, it functioned the way it was supposed to, but here in the last 10 years it hasn't functioned as well.
Also, like you said, they failed 2 years ago it will fail again and 2 years from now we will be back where we started.
they will fail again hizb'allah because they are not harsh enough. The UN just slaps them on the wrist and says - don't do it again - like a super star or celeb caught smoking weed.
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