I want to know what most of you think of this legislation on illegal immigration and our border security.
Do you agree or disagree with what is proposed in the Senate regarding this issue?
In my opinion, I agree with the bill. I think it is about time we upheld our immigration laws and got stricter on these immigrants if they are to stay here.
I do not, however, think that they should all go back. They are vital to our economy, but they should follow our laws.
What do you think?
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Timothy Leary
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hazel_dragoneye said this in post #1 : I want to know what most of you think of this legislation on illegal immigration and our border security.
Do you agree or disagree with what is proposed in the Senate regarding this issue?
In my opinion, I agree with the bill. I think it is about time we upheld our immigration laws and got stricter on these immigrants if they are to stay here.
I do not, however, think that they should all go back. They are vital to our economy, but they should follow our laws.
What do you think?
I think you should move to Mexico. Just kidding.
Why pray tell should we accept law breakers? Mexico doesn't.
Our laws state that we don't. So, change the laws to accomodate the law breakers? I don't believe that is what they had in mind when the law was implemented.
"Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless." ~Ayatollah Khomeini
I don't know of any other country in the world that accomodates illegal immigrants except ours. Here's what Chinese officials do with illegal immigrants in there country:
The man in this picture is a North Korean illegal immigrant
In Hong Kong
These are some of the photos I can find.
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Timothy Leary
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Mama always said life was like a box a chocolates, never know what you're gonna get.
If the border security and mindset some of you possess had existed in 1492 I guess we wouldn't be having this discussion now, would we?
"First thing I'm gonna do when I get home is slap yo mama right in the mouth...cuz there is no way you could be the produce of my loins" - Jackie Gleason, Smoky and the Bandit
In my opinion, I agree with the bill. I think it is about time we upheld our immigration laws and got stricter on these immigrants if they are to stay here.
If that is your position, the bill does nothing of the sort. Oh it might sound like an enforcement measure the way McCain spins it, but why would I believe that they will enforce all of the gobbledygook in that bill when they won't to something simple like enforce the border laws we already have?
That bill will open a floodgate of immigration from Mexico to Argentina. The bill will legitimize the immigrants, and unions and civil rights groups will demand equitable pay. Once they are legal, they are not going to be working alongside of American citizens doing the same work for 1/3 the rate of pay. The higher pay will be even more attractive to more immigration. We will end up with 100 workers or more competing for each single job.
Unions will sure end up with a lot of members, but they won't be in any position to bargain for higher wages.
I but why would I believe that they will enforce all of the gobbledygook in that bill when they won't to something simple like enforce the border laws we already have?
Isn't this what I have already said in my first post, I simply said that we need to uphold our immigration laws which also includes borders. Upholding means to support, which is what we should do.
I have read that this bill was supposed to deport those that break the law, for instance in traffic offenses or homicides. The Mexicans, that are marching on our capital now want this "amnesty for all" policy which I don't agree with.
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Timothy Leary
I reserve the right to be ignorant. That's the Western way of life. The Spy who came in from the cold
Mama always said life was like a box a chocolates, never know what you're gonna get.
I think we are in agreement on what we would prefer, but we are talking about different bills. I am not sure of all of the mechanics of how this is moving through Congress, but it started with a very strict bill which would have turned all existing illegal aliens into felons and demanded their prosecution and deportation.
But that bill was killed and replaced by the McCain-Kennedy bill, which not only amounts to amnesty, but also creates a huge incentive for more immigration. About 70% of the American people are against this approach. Congress heard from enough of those 70% to get cold feet and the bill died last Friday. The whole issue will be taken up again when Congress gets back into session in a couple weeks. Meanwhile, they are home getting an earful from their constituents.
EUCLID said this in post #8 : I am not sure of all of the mechanics of how this is moving through Congress, but it started with a very strict bill which would have turned all existing illegal aliens into felons and demanded their prosecution and deportation.
Well I do know about the law making process since I minored in Government in college. A bill in the Senate is usually put up on a calendar which each Senator must look over and see what needs to be discussed. A senator can bring a bill to the floor by unanimous consent, which is what happened. I think the bill died when this Senator from Massasschussetts staged a filibuster, which lasted for four hours at least. It may have killed the bill there.
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Timothy Leary
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Mama always said life was like a box a chocolates, never know what you're gonna get.
The whole reason for this Anti-Immigrant hysteria is that Mexicans the wrong color (non-white). If the Irish, Danish, Swedes & the like were coming here in droves again (like they used to) you so-called "Americans" would welcome them with open arms. The only people that were brought here against their will are the blacks (like myself) and whites don't include us in the term "American". In other words "American"="white".
But the only true Americans are the "indians" whom this land was stolen from.
Nsanebrane said this in post #10 : The only people that were brought here against their will are the blacks (like myself) and whites don't include us in the term "American". In other words "American"="white".
By "American," I mean U.S. citizen. I could not care less what color the Mexicans are. What I object to is the uncontrolled, unlimited influx of people from countries with much lower standards of living, who enter the U.S. illegally and undercut the U.S. labor rate. They are being exploited by rich Republicans. Did you ever think about that?
Nsanebrane said this in post #10 : If the Irish, Danish, Swedes & the like were coming here in droves again (like they used to) you so-called "Americans" would welcome them with open arms. .
Have you ever opened a history book, dude?
When have we ever welcomed Irish immigrants with "open arms"? They were hated and abused by corporations that wanted their cheap labor, causing friction with the working class here, just like Mexicans and Jamaicans are used for today.
And yeah, we are sooooo racists! We pick on these poor Mexican migrant workers who take advantage of our government.
Oh brother another Mexican sympathizing crybaby.
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Timothy Leary
I reserve the right to be ignorant. That's the Western way of life. The Spy who came in from the cold
Mama always said life was like a box a chocolates, never know what you're gonna get.
Will Congress resume work on an immigration bill as soon as it returns from recess or is the matter dead for some extended period of time? If the issue is immediately taken back up, will there be new demonstrations? I am wondering what the likelihood is of a series of say a half dozen consecutive demonstrations, maybe a week apart.
hazel_dragoneye said this in post #1 : I want to know what most of you think of this legislation on illegal immigration and our border security.
Do you agree or disagree with what is proposed in the Senate regarding this issue?
In my opinion, I agree with the bill. I think it is about time we upheld our immigration laws and got stricter on these immigrants if they are to stay here.
I do not, however, think that they should all go back. They are vital to our economy, but they should follow our laws.
What do you think?
Unless your Native American, this law effects you too. This is the definition of arrogance.
Bush is sure getting blindsided in this immigration issue. First he gets out in front as the main sponsor by promoting his “guest worker” program, much to the chagrin of his conservative base. Then he gets rolled by the Democrats who commandeer the cause as their own, and paint Bush as anti-immigrant.
With the pro-immigration demonstration in the background, CBS showed a poll in which 74% of Americans disapprove of Bush’s handling of the immigration issue. The clear implication is that those 74% agree with the demonstrators in the background and oppose Bush because he is conservative, and naturally against liberalizing the immigration laws. However, the actual truth of the matter is diametrically opposite.
The truth is that Bush, who is a close friend of Mexican President Fox, has been leading the charge for amnesty in the form of a so called “guest worker” program. The truth is that the 74% who disapprove of Bush’s handling of the immigration issue are expressing their disapproval of the demonstrators and Bush because they are both in favor of amnesty. So here is CBS killing two birds with one stone. In the same report, they falsely paint the majority of the American people as being in favor of amnesty by falsely painting Bush as anti-immigrant. It’s another fine example of CBS media left wing bias, but you have to be pretty quick to catch it.
04-11-2006 04:44 PM
