I have just read it and to be honest it does not seem like anything bogus is happening.
So they have a new missile and they have test fired it to see if it works and can do all that it claims it can do, BTW if it can do what they claim that is an impressive bit of weaponry. However they have not launching at anybody it's just a test fire MOD and Pentagon must approve hundred of these a year and nobody moans.
Maybe this was just a warning to the US however there is certainly no indication it will be fitted with a nuke as Iran already has the Shahab - 3 which with it's new motor ( which BTW was tested last year and nobody batted an eyelid) is now a very fast weapon and hard to destroy. I reckon that the stealth capabilities this weapon has makes it more likely to be used against aircraft and navy as opposed to nuke strikes.
Obviously one has to question the timing of the test but if Iran was doing anything dodgy they are hardly going to admit it now are they?
Anyway after what ahppedn this afternoon I think the Iraninas have bigger things on thier mind don't you?
lodgebo said this in post #2 : Yeah I cant get the link to work either.
I have just read it and to be honest it does not seem like anything bogus is happening.
So they have a new missile and they have test fired it to see if it works and can do all that it claims it can do, BTW if it can do what they claim that is an impressive bit of weaponry. However they have not launching at anybody it's just a test fire MOD and Pentagon must approve hundred of these a year and nobody moans.
Maybe this was just a warning to the US however there is certainly no indication it will be fitted with a nuke as Iran already has the Shahab - 3 which with it's new motor ( which BTW was tested last year and nobody batted an eyelid) is now a very fast weapon and hard to destroy. I reckon that the stealth capabilities this weapon has makes it more likely to be used against aircraft and navy as opposed to nuke strikes.
Obviously one has to question the timing of the test but if Iran was doing anything dodgy they are hardly going to admit it now are they?
Anyway after what ahppedn this afternoon I think the Iraninas have bigger things on thier mind don't you?
Admittedly so. I see nobody claiming God is angry yet as they did with Katrina.
As we all know very well, missles have on purpose. Isreal needs to be aware.
Their claim about not being detected is unproven. They haven't tested it against our defences or Israels. (yet)
"Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless." ~Ayatollah Khomeini
Personally I think it’s nothing more but a display. Even if they did possess such a weapon in reality it’s no match for US military might.
Lastly, any Arab country in that region know that if they ever used nukes that it would mean the end of what they deem as civilization in their countries. Though they know they most likely could give the US a “black eye” nothing they have could stop US missiles from obliterating their way of life and I think it’s too high a price.
Bush made it pretty clear that he would protect Israel at any cost. This guy in Iran may be crazy but he’s not stupid, unless he wants to sacrifice Iran for the said of Islam and Allah which would be pretty much in vein.
Governor Bush on Kosovo war exit strategy in 99 ” Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
President Bush on Iraq war exit strategy from 2003 to 2008. “ “
oneofpeace said this in post #5 : Personally I think it’s nothing more but a display. Even if they did possess such a weapon in reality it’s no match for US military might.
Lastly, any Arab country in that region know that if they ever used nukes that it would mean the end of what they deem as civilization in their countries. Though they know they most likely could give the US a “black eye” nothing they have could stop US missiles from obliterating their way of life and I think it’s too high a price.
Bush made it pretty clear that he would protect Israel at any cost. This guy in Iran may be crazy but he’s not stupid, unless he wants to sacrifice Iran for the said of Islam and Allah which would be pretty much in vein.
I do wonder how smart this guy is. Some of his comments have been pretty threatening to Israel. Israel could bring Iran to it's knees in about an hour.
"Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless." ~Ayatollah Khomeini
And he knows this USA1 so what would make someone beat on their chest like he does knowing it would most certainly mean his demise?
Remember Saddam talked a big game too. And although Iran probably is more of a threat, the biggest threat to the US would be after they’ve been obliterated and the fallout from running through yet another Muslim country by extremists.
Governor Bush on Kosovo war exit strategy in 99 ” Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
President Bush on Iraq war exit strategy from 2003 to 2008. “ “
I think he is playing a game that will be a complete disaster or a complete success. By having a go at Israel he merely hitting on a state that is hated by all in the ME if he continues his claim that America is stopping him from nothing more than getting electricity to the people he demonises the US the second most hated country in the ME.
Now he saw what happend in Iraq and he knows that he could probably make a tougher fight of it. So I think what he will attempt to do is to goad Israel into making the first move now if that happens he will no doubt use this as propaganda in the rest of the ME ( maybe even further) to show how this Jewish state is intet on harming Islam. If that happens more countries than not will tell Israel that if another attack is carried outthey will unify behind Iran and retaliate that would present a huge problem for the US because as somebdy said Bush has promised to protect Israel at all costs the other countiries have not, in fact the UK have ruled out a war with Iran.
Now I accept that what I just said seems unlikely but think about this in 1991 UK SAS and SBS troops were sitting in a hanger in Kuwait being told the same story as above but with one crucial diffrence and that was " that this scenario must not happen at any costs "
I agree lodgebo that Iran is trying to instigate, that’s obvious. However if Iran wanted to take that road, who would he be fooling, the people?
Most people in that region hate Israel and the US because that’s what they’re told to do. However, the leadership in these autocracies would have to be in conspiracy with Iran in order to make what you suggest happen.
I mean publicly they may project a united front in condemning Israel and US response but the only way they can really hurt the US is through embargos. And most assuredly they know to the US that’s just as good as declaring war.
I don’t know, I think it’s a show for the people. With all the hatred they have for Israel and the West, I don’t think they’re ready to go to war with any of us.
Governor Bush on Kosovo war exit strategy in 99 ” Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
President Bush on Iraq war exit strategy from 2003 to 2008. “ “
oneofpeace said this in post #9 : I agree lodgebo that Iran is trying to instigate, that’s obvious. However if Iran wanted to take that road, who would he be fooling, the people?
Most people in that region hate Israel and the US because that’s what they’re told to do. However, the leadership in these autocracies would have to be in conspiracy with Iran in order to make what you suggest happen.
I mean publicly they may project a united front in condemning Israel and US response but the only way they can really hurt the US is through embargos. And most assuredly they know to the US that’s just as good as declaring war.
I don’t know, I think it’s a show for the people. With all the hatred they have for Israel and the West, I don’t think they’re ready to go to war with any of us.
Your comments here are just silly for want of a better word.
"people in that region hate Israel and the US because thats what they're told to do" ???? Thats just plain ridiculous and insulting.
Its strange that you are all in uproar because Iran tests missiles and plays war games when the US is doing just the same bloody thing with the South Koreans just shy of North Korean waters. Then your government responds to the objections of the North Koreans saying that its not necessarily provocitive.
Your just making the rules up as you go along.
Everybody else is aggresive or threatening when aquiring weapons of mass destruction but that your nation is actively aggressive, right now, in two soveirgn countries that border Iran, and that you spend more money than any other nation on earth making weapons of mass destruction...this is not provokative?????
Christ aloud wake up
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Your comments here are just silly for want of a better word.
"people in that region hate Israel and the US because thats what they're told to do" ???? Thats just plain ridiculous and insulting.
What’s insulting here is the nature of your response however I’ll charge it to your passions and will address it as such.
First, I am absolutely correct in my assessment that those people in that region are inbred with anti-West hatred, PARTICULARLY in opposition to Israel and the US. We are accused of everything from stubbing their toe to burning their toast and are the reasons for their every woe.
Classic example, when a Denmark newspaper posted a cartoon of Muhammad, many Muslim countries went berserk. Not only did they blame Denmark but somehow they ended up blaming the US & Israel and marched through their streets chanting “Death to America” and “Death to Israel” while rioting and attacking foreign embassies.
Furthermore, their autocratic leaders feed them this hatred among other things and obscure them from any news originating outside of their boundaries. It is common place for them to do so and hate Israel and America in the process. Evidence of this is further seen when they celebrated at the destruction of the Twin Towers here in the states on 9/11. Silly assertions, I don’t think so.
Secondly my point I was making about Iran is simply this. No nation wants to battle a superpower and that includes the United States unless they have absolutely no alternative. The US didn’t want to make war with Russia during the cold war or even now. They didn’t intentionally provoke them into something they knew would result in extensive (if not annihilation) damage to this country and neither did/does Russia.
So why would Iran or any other Arab country really want to make war with the Israel or the US knowing fully well what the response would be?
Lastly, this isn’t about the US possession of nuclear weapons while demanding other nations to disarm and in fact, I agree with you on that point but the threat was in response to why Iran is testing missiles not the fact that they are. Their timing is transparent and you know this so why are you putting on the façade?
I’m not here, like others may be, to beat on my chest and say how mighty and powerful the US is, I’m here simply to state a fact. If Iran is really willing to take on the US and/or Israel they know it will come with a high price, a price I don’t believe the rest of the Arab world is willing to pay.
Am I wrong? Maybe, maybe not but that’s just what I believe and it’s my assessment. I welcome you to present your case if you think otherwise. However about Muslim countries being inbred with hatred of the US and Israel, I’m top dead center.
Governor Bush on Kosovo war exit strategy in 99 ” Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
President Bush on Iraq war exit strategy from 2003 to 2008. “ “
oneofpeace said this in post #11 : If Iran is really willing to take on the US and/or Israel they know it will come with a high price, a price I don’t believe the rest of the Arab world is willing to pay.
For Iran, procuring nuclear technology and no doubt weapons does two things - it's the best way to stop an attack from the US and it's telling America that it will not be told what to do by them. I'm sure this goes down very well in Iran with the public.
Iran knows that America is bogged down in an unpopular war in Iraq. Iran also knows that Iraq will side with it if America or Isreal attacks Iran, therefore Iran is in an incredibly strong position to stick the finger up at the US and Israel, which it is doing with much gusto.
Add to this the probability that China will not support UN sanctions, what better time for number one "axis of evil" to go for the bomb.
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For Iran, procuring nuclear technology and no doubt weapons does two things - it's the best way to stop an attack from the US and it's telling America that it will not be told what to do by them. I'm sure this goes down very well in Iran with the public.
Oh absolutely so, I agree. Any nation, especially Arab or Muslim that thumbs their nose at the US will be reveled as a hero. They did it with Saddam, they do it with Bin Laden, and certainly they will do it with Iran. However I think the problem for Iran comes in with other M.E. governments in the region.
I don’t believe other regional leaders want this of Iran because I believe they fear miscalculation. Betting that the US will do nothing is a high stake bet.
Bush on the other hand has the exact issues you’ve pointed out here. No one trusts out motives now and initiating a war in Iran could prove to be another mistake. However I simply don’t seeing the US allowing Iran to develop that weapon.
China and Russia have their own agendas in not supporting sanctions or anything else with Iran, same as they did with Iraq. However how do they publicly support Iran when Iran is so defiant? It creates a political issue with them as well because even if Iran doesn’t have nukes yet, they are giving Bush more grounding to take action against them than Saddam did and even seem to provoke it.
I believe the US could sustain a campaign against Iran today but for how long is the question. The Muslim masses couldn’t care if Iran dropped a nuke in the heart of Washington or Tel Aviv, Muslims will always denounce any response to US or Israeli retaliations.
I think the stakes are too high. Iran is playing a dangerous game and if they aren’t willing to accept that it could lose the hand then I’m afraid unfortunately we’re in for a tumultuous decade.
Governor Bush on Kosovo war exit strategy in 99 ” Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
President Bush on Iraq war exit strategy from 2003 to 2008. “ “
Lots of intelligent comments have been made in the posts above; however, one should bear in mind that when a country sets a rivalry with another one or several others it can often be explained by internal strifes.
That's what occuring in Iran where die-hard conservatives are confronted with moderate fringes of the political spectrum and are willing to ensure public support through propaganda. What a better occasion than this dispute over the nuclear capability with the rest of the world.
For those who may dare to broaden their perspective, this presents some common characteristics with what the Bush administration has been doing domestically out of fear and hatred fed to the american public.
International politics is to be analyzed through domestic stakes in the first place. Iran is no exception to that.
03-31-2006 02:14 PM
