I would like to start some discussion on Immigration Reform and the latest proposals.
1. Amnesty
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2. Fencing it in.
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3. Temporary worker visa.
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4. Punishment for illegal immigrants
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5. Punishment for employers of illegal immigrants.
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6. All of the above.
"Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless." ~Ayatollah Khomeini
Regardless of any proposals on the table, Americans have their points of view.
Illegal immigrnats are just that ILLEGAL. At some point we have to stop illegal immigration, not only from Mexico but for those who overstay their visa as many have and continue to do today.
When I see the thousands protesting, I see a lot of illegals standing there taking advantage of the same rights as provided to legal residents.
Yes, we need those workers to do a job here but, they should have a working status that provides them rights. They have no work rights or legal status to provide them with any form of security or protection. The employer can pretty much do as the please.
The biggest issue with having legal migrant workers is that the government will mandate a pay scale and that will increase the cost of produce or other commerce where illegals are used today. I don't think think the America or the world is ready for that cost inflation.
As Vincete' Fox says, "Mexicans do the work that other Americans won't do", and I believe that is true. However, if the pay scale was higher, more legal residents would do the work.
"Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless." ~Ayatollah Khomeini
Doubt there will ever be a $15 per hour job digging ditches though.
I see a lot of different illegal immigrants- those who come here to take advantage of our system and those that want to and become viable, upright American citizens. I know both kinds.
I don't think there should be open borders, and security should be tighter.
It's a black & white situation that is all gray underneath.
I've always been split on the immigration thing, and I'm split now. Yes there are lots of illegal immigrants that take advantage of the system, but then there are others who don't. There are those who truly come here to make a better life for their families and do it the right way. I don't think everyone should be punished. The dishonest ones should be deported like always. The honest workers could be given a temp. workers visa but what happens AFTER that "temporary" time, do we kick 'em back out? that's not right. We're going to have to spend all this money to house them in jails right? And why punish those who are taking them in? Again, some honest, some dishonest. Some people are simply trying to give these people a chance to change their situation. I think this issue will always be a battle no matter which side wins.
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I think that that those who wish to come here to make a better life is awesome as that is what America is about but, they should be legal. Period. I know they are upstanding people with families but, that shouldn't stop them from being legal and payign taxes.
Those who come here to mooch off the system need to go back to their countries and re-enter legally. Then they can have the rights associated with legal immigrants.
I don't believe in putting them in jail, just send them home and make them re-apply legally.
Employers who hire illegal immigrants need to be fined extensively to prevent this from happening.
Can you imagine the taxes from each state that are not being paid? Also, Mexico could not survive without the income from America going back into their economy. When they take the illegal wage and go back to Mexico with it, it hurts both countires in the long run.
BTW- There are ditch digging jobs for $15.00 an hour right here in Wisconsin. Seasonable jobs though.
"Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless." ~Ayatollah Khomeini
Living in San Diego, I see many immigrants on a daily basis. Here is my two cents on the issue.
Once you enter this great country illegally, you have broken the law. It does not matter what your motives are or how nice of a person you are. You are a law breaker. You have stolen something from our country. If you get a job, you have stolen a job that you are not entitled to have. It is against the law to hire illegal immigrants. Motives do not justify breaking the law.
I am tired of hearing that the illegals do jobs that no one wants. Yeah right! Hmmm here in San Diego illegal immigrants working for nothing have ruined the drywall trade, the painters trade and the landscapers trade. Carpentry jobs now to go illegals instead of qualified men who want the work. They have stolen the livelihoods of many people all so that a bunch of scabby contractors could get rich. Yes, they may be poor, but it does not excuse them taking jobs that they are not legally allowed to hold.
We should not give ANYONE amnesty. Why reward those who have zero respect for our laws? IF they did, they would apply for a green card and abide by our decisions. IF the government gives amnesty, it will send a message to more of the people who want to come here that they should make that move.
Fence us in, enforce the laws on the books and deport the ones that are caught. Also, if they really want reform then they must do this: change the law so that you must have one parent as a U.S. citizen to become one yourself instead of being one just by being born on our soil. That would drastically change the game down here in San Diego.
There is simply no such thing as a job Americans won’t do. This is the reddest of red herrings. The jobs that appear to be ones that Americans won’t do are actually jobs that don’t pay enough.
In a free market, every task has its price. If no Americans will pick lettuce for $5 per hour, you have to pay more. Maybe you will have to raise the pay to $10 per hour. If Americans won’t pay the retail price for lettuce that results from $10 per hour pickers, then they don’t get lettuce. But that’s the price of lettuce in a free market.
Illegal immigration is being sold with a kind of free trade argument. Yet it is the perfect opposite of free trade. It’s a rigged bargain. It is not a level playing field to have our legal labor market competing with an economically distressed, illegal labor pool with a much lower standard of living. It is the same thing as trying to compete with child labor, prison labor, or outright slave labor.
In the case of undocumented American workers, not only are the legitimate labor competitors harmed by the unfair competition, but also, the economic disadvantage of the undocumented workers is being unfairly exploited for economic greed.
Yes....making illegal immigration a felony is really going to do the job. (sarcasm) Remember this crap only comes up in Even numbered years because its politcial. How is this even going to work, are they going to arrest everybody....Hello its already illegal to be undocumented, and nobody's doing anything about it. These idiots (Republicans) think making it illegal is going to solve the problem. Thats like living on the north pole, wearing t-shirts and shorts and getting a cold, and taking cough medicine. Hello your in the north pole with Tshirts and shorts!!!!...take all the medicine you want, your not going stop the cold from getting into your bdoy. Gathering up and deporting illegals is not going to stop illegals from crossing the border. This is just politcal pandering...and everyone is eating it up like pancakes...
Any opinions on the following?
1. Amnesty - WTF for....?
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2. Fencing it in. they will climb it. You want a concrete wall...like the gaza strip?...there's a good role model for peace and economic relations.
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3. Temporary worker visa....My parents were here on 'temporary visa'....35 years later, they are still here....nuff said
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4. Punishment for illegal immigrants ...what spanking? we can jail them, cost to us...
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5. Punishment for employers of illegal immigrants...yes , but i guarentee you it will not be enough to keep them from doing it. Other than shutting down the business...and it wont come to that, wait to see what the dole, and del monte lobbyist will say about that.
"I'm looking for love. Real love. Ridiculous, inconvenient, consuming, can't-live-without-each-other love." - Carrie Bradshaw
"The danger of an adventure is worth a thousand days of ease and comfort" - Paulo Coehlo
Live your life like it's your last day on earth
Life is not how many breaths you take, but how many moments take your breath away.
"I'm looking for love. Real love. Ridiculous, inconvenient, consuming, can't-live-without-each-other love." - Carrie Bradshaw
"The danger of an adventure is worth a thousand days of ease and comfort" - Paulo Coehlo
Live your life like it's your last day on earth
Life is not how many breaths you take, but how many moments take your breath away.
I think there should be a WWE Royal Rumble with 100 or so in a giant ring and the last one standing in the ring gets to come in. Have these once a month on pay per view. Charge each entrant, each person who wants to watch it live and charge double for the PPV and tons of cash would pour in. Now THAT'S American as Apple Pie.
There was an American citizen outrage over the UAE port deal. In terms of dire consequences, however, this immigration bill makes the port deal look like a walk in the woods. The problem is that the American people will not respond with vehemence to this as they did with the port deal because they are mostly unaware of this.
With the port deal, the Democrats saw an opportunity to hammer Bush with it. So the mainstream media naturally ran the story, and the American people wasted no time in cutting the legs off the proposal.
With this immigration issue, both Republicans and Democrats are for amnesty in some form, so the media sees no reason to criticize it for the enlightenment of the American citizens. This issue is HUGE, yet it is missing in action on the evening news. Right now, the best hope for all the people, including Conservatives, is that Hillary Clinton seizes this issue and hammers Bush with it. Then the mainstream media will get right behind her and wake up the country within one day and the people will throw this off.
Otherwise the only hope of waking up the populace is the Internet and talk radio.
Ha Ha, I'm certainly woke up... God it's all so depressing. The enemies of democracy have found our weakness. Caught upon the horns of dilemma. We want to help the poor and disadvantaged, we want to have a country where our borders are respected by our neighbors.
How much respect can illegal aliens have for a nation they have disrespected the laws of. How dare they use the benefits of citizenship.
Castro showed the enemies of America how to do us harm... empty your prisons.. your madhouses and asylums... gather up the weak minded, the perverts, the violent, put them in boats and send them to America.
Almost every totalitarian regime in the world is doing it. China does it, Russia does it, Haiti, on and on. Our government is helpless. The right wing wants cheap labor and unless regular Americans take to the streets, support operation minuteman, start vigilante actions, boycotts of businesses who are profiting by using illegal alien workers. Boycotting Mexico and charging them for the costs of apprehension & deportation, all will be lost.
But most of all ... VOTE... VOTE... VOTE Bush still hasn't given the eleven million illegals the vote But they are forcing ballots to be printed in spanish so it's coming.
03-28-2006 06:17 PM
Hmmm here in San Diego illegal immigrants working for nothing have ruined the drywall trade, the painters trade and the landscapers trade. Carpentry jobs now to go illegals instead of qualified men who want the work. They have stolen the livelihoods of many people all so that a bunch of scabby contractors could get rich. Yes, they may be poor, but it does not excuse them taking jobs that they are not legally allowed to hold. 
