If nothing else, the Bush adminstration has certainly stirred things up. Americans are more aware of what is happening in the rest of the world, and why. Generally, we're still in the dark, because as a culture perhaps we are on autopilot, seeing nothing else than the road directly in front of us. Perhaps a revolution of sorts has begun.
Since the Iraq war started, how has your opinion on all of these things evolved?
And, if you're willing to share, how have you changed as a person? This goes for everyone living outside of America as well.
Please pardon my pseudo-intellectuaphilisophicalismysiticality.
Sometimes life is excruciatingly simple: As long as there are American boots on Iraqi soil, I will support the effort 100%. And George W. Bush and Dick Cheney will command this effort until January of 2009. The vitriol of the leftist mainstream media and shrill liberal politicians will have absolutely no effect on this good work in progress.
Only the dead have seen the end of war.
Let us win glory for ourselves, or yield it to others.
Curley, coming from people I know whose boots have been on Iraqi soil, it is not going well over there. It is much worse there now than it was before the invasion. But I think that happens when you see a car vanish in an explosion right before you.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
- Bill Cosby
The guy who takes a chance, who walks the line between the known and unknown, who is unafraid of failure, will succeed.
- Gordon Parks
Desert Hawk said this in post #4 : Hey, Blues, you know nothing about our troops and even less about their deeds.
How can you talk such BS without even knowing me?
One of my roommates was over in Iraq. I had three friends who were over there, one of them didn't come back. My cousin was over there, and she said the violence never ceases. Unlike you Curley, I do know about the troops. They are my friends and family, so take your stupid smileys and don't insult people, especially when you never had to go to the funeral of a friend who only died because he and 13 others weren't properly equipped.
Blind support is the worst support in the world because it shows that you care nothing for the troops or their welfare. I know one thing for sure, you would never say those words to my face.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
- Bill Cosby
The guy who takes a chance, who walks the line between the known and unknown, who is unafraid of failure, will succeed.
- Gordon Parks
Inner City Blues said this in post #5 :
How can you talk such BS without even knowing me?
One of my roommates was over in Iraq. I had three friends who were over there, one of them didn't come back. My cousin was over there, and she said the violence never ceases. Unlike you Curley, I do know about the troops. They are my friends and family, so take your stupid smileys and don't insult people, especially when you never had to go to the funeral of a friend who only died because he and 13 others weren't properly equipped.
Blind support is the worst support in the world because it shows that you care nothing for the troops or their welfare. I know one thing for sure, you would never say those words to my face.
Well, Mr. Blues, the next time you see your friends and your cousin who were "over there," you tell them—again—how proud you are of them and how proud America is to have such sons and daughters. And those who come back draped in honor for having given the ultimate sacrifice, God bless them—the gratitude of Americans and decent peoples everywhere is profound indeed.
Only the dead have seen the end of war.
Let us win glory for ourselves, or yield it to others.
If anything, the war has given me more reason to doubt the Bush administration. Such poor management of such an event and the questionable reasons for instigating it cause some serious doubts in my mind. Sorry, not cause. Magnifies.
Sayzak said this in post #1 : Americans are more aware of what is happening in the rest of the world, and why. Generally, we're still in the dark, because as a culture perhaps we are on autopilot, seeing nothing else than the road directly in front of us. Perhaps a revolution of sorts has begun.
It would be nice to think that was true but it's only three decades since Vietnam. What did today's politicians and the American people learn from that? Bush, Cheney etc seemingly nothing. And there still seems plenty of support for this administration to attack other people and countries in the Middle East.
One of the clearest things I've learnt from the Iraq conflict is that democracy is not the simple solution politicians have been claiming it to be. If we do actually believe in democracy (and figure this one out - China OK, Venezuela not OK) then we must accept the will of a nation's people to choose their own leaders without the interferance of powerful nations. I don't have any great hope that this is going to happen anytime soon.
Well, Mr. Blues, the next time you see your friends and your cousin who were "over there," you tell them—again—how proud you are of them and how proud America is to have such sons and daughters. And those who come back draped in honor for having given the ultimate sacrifice, God bless them—the gratitude of Americans and decent peoples everywhere is profound indeed.
Please don't ever talk to me again, it's disgusting that you would insult me through blatant ignorance.
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
- Bill Cosby
The guy who takes a chance, who walks the line between the known and unknown, who is unafraid of failure, will succeed.
- Gordon Parks
My opinion has changed in the sense that I've seen the administration be exposed time and time again as an ineffective, flaccid, ideologically bankrupt, self-serving, power hungry, inept cash cow and I have grown more weary and disappointed of our leaders. More and more people are realizing that in droves, as evident in the polls, thankfully.
I have spoken to many Marines; most agree that the whole thing is a debacle. Some just don’t care about the politics and want to shoot people. None think that they are doing this for a greater good. Again, that’s amongst the 10 or so Marines I know or have met briefly in the past few years. Recent polls within the military seem to support what I have already come to know.
I don't expect those with their heels dug into the manure that the administration expels on a daily basis to even open their eyes a crack to see things in a different light, which speaks volumes to the ability of the administration to coerce fear, hate, and willingness to give away unalienable freedoms with a "thank you sir, may I have another."
The only view I have that has changed about this war is that many people, who supported this, have now done an about face and made this strictly a political issue, when in fact it has been a global issue for 30 years. The left just spin everything into a political attack and convenientley forget the history behind it. My opinion has not changed about the fact that actors and musicians should remain actors and musicians and stay out of politics.
That the Democratic party that I once supported is basically dead in the water and have resorted to witch hunting becasue of no clear solutions that are recongnisable.
My opinion of the network news stations has changed dramatically and I rarely watch them as most are just witch hunting for Bush and Cheney. (Waist of time an effort on their part).
The only exposure many get is through a left slanted media. Therefore, you can't always believe everything you read as an equal "good and bad" story. They never show the good that is happening. If you ask the troops, this is what disturbs them the most. The fact that we get a completely different view of the news and never the good things they are doing with and for the Iraqi people.
Shamefully bias news coverage that undermines their efforts.
As for the troops, 99% do not want to "quit". Which is different than being in a land where people are shooting at you. Nobody wants to be in that position. Unless of coarse you are one gung ho dude. Whe I was in Vietnam, I wnated to come home too.
What you need to do is get information from those cities in Iraq that are now doing 1,000% better than before the war. If you think that those Iraqis want pre-war Saddam back, you are sadly mistaken. Unfortunatley that news never gets to your desktop and that is truly a shame.
All things considered, the whole region will be better off when the dust settles, with the exception of Iran, who wants the whole region to itself under islamic rule and has thumbed it's nose at the world.
My opinion of islam has changed as I learn more about it and its followers. Before the war, I knew that they were violent. Now I know why.
For obvious reasons.
"Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless." ~Ayatollah Khomeini
HECK said this in post #11 :
I have spoken to many Marines; most agree that the whole thing is a debacle. None think that they are doing this for a greater good.
-HECK!
This of course is a false statement, but the left would like nothing better than if it were true.
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USA1 said this in post #12 : The only view I have that has changed about this war is that many people, who supported this, have now done an about face and made this strictly a political issue, when in fact it has been a global issue for 30 years. The left just spin everything into a political attack and convenientley forget the history behind it. My opinion has not changed about the fact that actors and musicians should remain actors and musicians and stay out of politics.
That the Democratic party that I once supported is basically dead in the water and have resorted to witch hunting becasue of no clear solutions that are recongnisable.
My opinion of the network news stations has changed dramatically and I rarely watch them as most are just witch hunting for Bush and Cheney. (Waist of time an effort on their part).
The only exposure many get is through a left slanted media. Therefore, you can't always believe everything you read as an equal "good and bad" story. They never show the good that is happening. If you ask the troops, this is what disturbs them the most. The fact that we get a completely different view of the news and never the good things they are doing with and for the Iraqi people.
Shamefully bias news coverage that undermines their efforts.
As for the troops, 99% do not want to "quit". Which is different than being in a land where people are shooting at you. Nobody wants to be in that position. Unless of coarse you are one gung ho dude. Whe I was in Vietnam, I wnated to come home too.
What you need to do is get information from those cities in Iraq that are now doing 1,000% better than before the war. If you think that those Iraqis want pre-war Saddam back, you are sadly mistaken. Unfortunatley that news never gets to your desktop and that is truly a shame.
All things considered, the whole region will be better off when the dust settles, with the exception of Iran, who wants the whole region to itself under islamic rule and has thumbed it's nose at the world.
My opinion of islam has changed as I learn more about it and its followers. Before the war, I knew that they were violent. Now I know why.
For obvious reasons.
I agree USA1.
Only the dead have seen the end of war.
Let us win glory for ourselves, or yield it to others.
My biggest fear about my son going to this war was that he would be treated as we were coming back from Vietnam and I swore I would do everything in my power to not let that happen. Unfortunatley I am only one person and he and many others are now feeling the same affects from the democrats and lefties.
What a shame to treat our young soldiers the way we have. They are all heros and get treated like no mind common criminals.
At times our people here in the US embarass me to no end.
"Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless." ~Ayatollah Khomeini
USA1: My biggest fear about my son going to this war was that he would be treated as we were coming back from Vietnam and I swore I would do everything in my power to not let that happen. Unfortunatley I am only one person and he and many others are now feeling the same affects from the democrats and lefties.
What a shame to treat our young soldiers the way we have. They are all heros and get treated like no mind common criminals.
At times our people here in the US embarass me to no end.
If things were going well in Iraq the troops would be feeling okay. But when wars go badly it obviously rubs off on troop morale. Bush chose to send the troops to Iraq and was careless to the point of negligence in just about everyway.
Who gets the blame in a football game when things go wrong - the coach, or the crowd? Strangely for you it always seems to be the crowd. You're no supporter of the troops. You're just a cheerleader for Bush.
03-04-2006 09:55 AM
Hey, Blues, you know nothing about our troops and even less about their deeds. But I guess that comes from not wanting to know.
