I saw Reloaded twice now and I have one glaring question that I am trying to answer. It boils down to the technolgy inside Zion and I would be really interested to read your thoughts.
First, we must accept that Zion has been fighting the machines for 100 years and, as the artchitect said, Neo was the 6th 'The One'.
Knowing that, when the last 'The One' saved people from The Matrix, did they build Zion from scratch? If so, I would imagine with the level of sophisticated tecnhology it would take them far longer than 100 years to create such a city, let alone launch a lengthy attack inside The Matrix.
That being said, perhaps the original inhabitants of Zion built the city and developed the technology over hundreds and hundreds of years. And they have only been able to battle the Machines for the past century. This would mean that far more time has passed in human history.
Another train of thought is that Zion was 'as-is' when the latest batch of humans found it. Maybe when the Machines destory Zion, they leave the technology behind. But then they would know where Zion is. And wouldn't the newly freed humans wonder where all of it came from?
Or, perhaps there are dozens of underground dwellings, maybe empty, that humans created before the humans above ground went extinct.
And finally, we have the looming notion that the so-called 'Real World' is just another Matrix.
good questions.. those things have been bothering me as well. what i've been currently thinking is that it is the remnants of a city from humans in there original battles with the machines...and when the one repopulates it they just believe that he has saved them from the matrix and are going to what is left of the last human stronghold... yes the machines would know where it is... but they don't destroy it right away.. because they are still controlling the "freed" humans through the one.. Zion is allowed to grow untill the anomaly can be isolated, and brought to the source...
And thus the process repeats itself. Hmmmm. I wonder why they have to drill so much though. Wouldn't they already have a big long tunnel directly to it? Or at least one near by?
Zion would be able to tell if there was just a huge hole near by. And do something about it. The machines probably get rid of any evidence of their last destruction of Zion, leave it around for a while in order to isolate the One. And well, these are the people that wanted to have a choice. And so they chose to fight. The machines are giving them this fight they chose. They afterall, did not chose to be slaughtered helplessly from sentinals emerging from a huge hole in the ground. The whole drilling and sentinal attack is probably just a huge distraction in order to focus on getting the One to the source.
Zion would be able to tell if there was just a huge hole near by. And do something about it. The machines probably get rid of any evidence of their last destruction of Zion, leave it around for a while in order to isolate the One. And well, these are the people that wanted to have a choice. And so they chose to fight. The machines are giving them this fight they chose. They afterall, did not chose to be slaughtered helplessly from sentinals emerging from a huge hole in the ground. The whole drilling and sentinal attack is probably just a huge distraction in order to focus on getting the One to the source.
The timeline of in the 1st movie acording to Morpheous:
Man kind created AI in the begining of the 21st century. lets say 2050 Morpheous tells Neo it is close to the year 2199 in the real world. This only gives 150 years for the creation of AI, the machines revolt(which if you watch The Animatrix Second Renisance doesnt happen imediatly), the war between mankind and the machines, the human enlavement, the failure of the 1st matrix(the Utopia), the creation of the second matrix, the 1st people being freed from the matrix, the establishment of Zion and then for Zion to get to its current size.
If you ask me thats just not enough time. Especially when you think that they have been fighting the machines for 100 of those years.
The Architect tells Neo that the matrix has been around for alot longer than anyone thinks and that there has been 6 versions of it. He also sais that Neos "code" must return to the source and reboot the matrix. This led me(and many others) to believe that Neo is a program that is in place to keep the people that reject the matrix in check.
This leads to the whole multi-layered matrix and the question of what is real if anyting. In order for a program to exsist in the "real world" it needs some kind of machine to exsist in, since it require a computer to run the program. Neo(the program) and Mr. smith are able to exsist in the "real world" because it is not real. It is simply another matrix.
This being the case, Zion was programed. No one built it because its not real. Every time the matrix is rebooted, the whole program starts over. So no whole to Zion because in this running of the matrix it hasnt been dug yet.
Of cource there are flaws in this theory, but there is in everyones theory because none of us have seen the 3rd movie.
There really isn't much of a flaw in that theory, actually... Occham's Razor, people. The simplest explanation is probably the correct one. And the simplest explanation is that there are TWO Matrices - one for the 99% of the people who can accept it, and one for the other 1% who can't. It's a buffer zone. And Neo is rebelling against his programmers (human or not, he has SOME programming in him) by revealing to the people that Zion ain't even the real world.
So now they have a chance to escape to the REAL world in the third movie.
For those who havent seen the Animatrix Renaissance episodes, it pretty much shows that the machines built lots of the technology and sold it to the humans. That included hovercars and ****, so it probably isnt too far fetched to say that there is technology laying around and ****. My qeustion is if there arent 2 matrixes, how did the first rebels get out. The story morpheus tells in the first matrix says that the original one freed the first of them, but how did he get out?I think that supports the idea that there are different levels of the Matrix.
another question i have been pondering was about the oracle. morpheus said she has been with them since the begining...it was 100 years ago. that means she must be more than 100 years old. doesnt make sense. i wish i was smart enough to figure this out before reloaded came out because it prooves she must be a program.
hmmm... beforeo Reloaded Zion was the "last remaining human city." That implies that they had the technology and as the war progressed, the humans had a little bit of foresight and built Zion. Everything is cool here
After the revelation of Reloaded this theory no longer makes sense, and I think it's safe to say the machines had some part in rebuilding Zion. How big of a part? I have no idea and may never know. They may have just left some technology lying around or they may have actually built a city. But keep this in mind, the Zionites wouldn't need too terribly much to begin off of to get that far in 100 years. Look how far we've come in 100 years. 100 years ago very very few people used "horseless carriages." 30 years ago they predicted that one day a computer may be able to fit in an ordinary bedroom. 10 years ago hardly anyone used the internet. 10 years from now we'll probably all be running around with identification/debit card chips in our hands that have GPS tracking devices and a system to give you a good shock if you start thinking for yourself.
for some odd reason, while the word "Ganya" was still just a thought-dropping in my head, I thought it'd only be four letters. But apparently it's five. yep.
True, in the past 100 years we have come a far way. But as it pertains to the inhabitants of Zion, how smart are they? Morpheus belives the actual year is closer to 2199, but no on really knows. By the time of the war vs. the Machines, humanity was probably pretty sophisticated. Did they 'dumb down' humanity inside The Matrix in order to adapt them to the 1990's average intellegince level? Perhaps the original Zionintes were given normal (2199+) knowledge and that helped them. Hard to say. People can learn practically anything in minutes thanks to the Matrix.
I suppose all we're really going to get is great speculation, but conjecture nevertheless.
05-19-2003 07:26 PM
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